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Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.


Good luck finding even adults who could name all the amendments. In my history class the teacher would call your name and say random numbers and you had to say the amendment that went with it.
Posted 7/31/15

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You. can't. get. an. unbiased. version.


No shit, sherlock, but that doesn't mean you don't go out of your way to try and eliminate as much bias as possible. That doesn't mean you go out of your way to promote some fairy tale history all for the sake of looking nice.


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What use is learning about the trail of tears or Japanese internment?
What use is it knowing Christopher Columbus used islanders as dartboards and worked them to death after enslaving them?


As someone else already said, not learning from mistakes will mean they are repeated. What's the point of learning about history? To learn from it and to ensure such stuff doesn't happen again.

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What use is learning about the trail of tears or Japanese internment?



Japanese internment is very important as recently General Wesley Clark was praising the idea of putting "disloyal Americans" into internment camps...
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VZ68 wrote:

Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.


Believe it or not, that's EXACTLY what colonists thought, and the very specific reason the Amendment was written, since states in 1789 were terrified that being United would take away their sovereign states' rights.

Up to that point, no democracy had ever succeeded without a dictator taking over, so anti-Federalists (loony Patrick Henry among them) were spreading Fox News fear-stories that once he had his new Federal Constitution, "King George" might march his new "Federal Army" down main street and take over the militias. (Which explains the Third Amendment as well, but that one was particularly abused by the British during wartime.)
It was for loony paranoid right-wing reactionaries back then, and it's been for looney right-wing paranoid reactionaries ever since.

Even Hamilton and Madison didn't trust the Federal idea 100%, which is why all ten Amendments were written in the first place.
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VZ68 wrote:

Gee, I wonder why someone might be getting their knickers in a twist over people's schoolbooks.


Believe it or not, that's EXACTLY what colonists thought, and the very specific reason the Amendment was written, since states in 1789 were terrified that being United would take away their sovereign states' rights.

Up to that point, no democracy had ever succeeded without a dictator taking over, so anti-Federalists (loony Patrick Henry among them) were spreading Fox News fear-stories that "King George" might march his new "Federal Army" down the street and take over the militias. (Which explains the Third Amendment as well, but that one was particularly abused by the British during wartime.)
It was for loony paranoid right-wing reactionaries back then, and it's been for looney right-wing paranoid reactionaries ever since.

Even Hamilton and Madison didn't trust the Federal idea 100%, which is why all ten Amendments were written in the first place.


Did you even read the book page?

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I take issue with "Certain Weapons" , "register" and "have not been to prison"
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Posted 7/31/15 , edited 7/31/15

VZ68 wrote:
Did you even read the book page?



Yeah, just didn't get the point, or whose "knickers would be in a twist"--
Anti-gun supporters who thought the language was pro-gun, or pro-gun supporters who didn't want their kids taught such evil propaganda as "Turns out the Amendment was never what they thought it was"?

Just throwing in history-geek trivia for a little clarity.
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I take issue with "Certain Weapons" , "register" and "have not been to prison"


Exactly.

I think someone is missing the forest for the trees.

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Yes, but we NEED to keep our food, otherwise the government will force Denny's to come into our kitchens, take away our food, and insist that we buy all our breakfasts from them!

(I seem to recall one constitution, maybe it was an early Massachusetts or New Hampshire 18th-cty. state constitution, that regulated the legal restrictions of what "membership in a state militia" constituted before the forming of the Federal Army, which legally qualified you to keep your "necessary" licensed gun. The 2nd A was specifically for militia members, back before the National Guard, when such things actually existed. They don't now, of course, except for the loonies.
Apparently, back then, just getting liquored up with your buddies every Saturday night and shooting foreigners did not qualify you under the states' rules to be an "authorized militia", no matter what you called yourself.)
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Apology accepted (whatever that was. )
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Apology accepted (whatever that was. )

None given.



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These are some much needed reforms for an educational system which increasingly relies less on facts and more on myopic propaganda.

State-funded
education should not be a tool to foment rebellion against the State or fellow citizens.

It really is that simple.
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Nobodyofimportance wrote:


You. can't. get. an. unbiased. version.


No shit, sherlock, but that doesn't mean you don't go out of your way to try and eliminate as much bias as possible. That doesn't mean you go out of your way to promote some fairy tale history all for the sake of looking nice.


Nobodyofimportance wrote:
What use is learning about the trail of tears or Japanese internment?
What use is it knowing Christopher Columbus used islanders as dartboards and worked them to death after enslaving them?


As someone else already said, not learning from mistakes will mean they are repeated. What's the point of learning about history? To learn from it and to ensure such stuff doesn't happen again.



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I'm not interested in making America look nice by sanitizing our history. I think that students should actually be learning it instead of hearing "Americans are evil and murdered all the native Americans."
We have a few hundred years of history you know. There's a lot of stuff to focus on. It doesn't all need to be negative.
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