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Why do the People of the USA Blame the President
Posted 8/28/15

onetimechoker wrote:

No I see things for the truth in a non-bias, non political way... guaranteed your bias leaning to the left, if not far left. Stupid to me means not being able to see things objectively bc of your feeling which is what the right and the left do.

You're completely wrong on like everything u said & its obviously very bias too cuz u said all media outlets are bias except Fox News and CNN which everyone agrees is probably the most bias media outlets ever.
Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

J-POP187 wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black tbh


anzn instead of getting into petty insults why don't you try debating? See if any of his info wrong and back it up with a source
President has the power of the pen
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/politics/immigration-executive-action/index.html
While congress has the power of the purse
http://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

cuz he said he doesn't want a annual roast debate so.

Gross.
CNN.
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Posted 8/28/15
I see it just like a business if it fails the blame goes to the ceo. If a country fails it goes to the leader of that country. Right now the leader of the US is Obama so it's easier for people to blame one person than it is to blame dozens of other politicians. When Bush was the president all blame fell to him so it isn't some left vs right thing. Its simply the way the people of this country work things out.
Bonus question
Can anyone tell me the exact number of representatives we have in the US?
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

anzn wrote:

You're completely wrong on like everything u said & its obviously very bias too cuz u said all media outlets are bias except Fox News and CNN which everyone agrees is probably the most bias media outlets ever.


You misread him. He said CNN and Fox are biased so in order to get the best unbiased possible view you need to watch both the right biased media and left biased media.

It's the same exact thing my AP Government & Comparative Politics teacher advised back in high school. It's not a bad method.

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I didn't say CNN and Fox News wasn't bias... lol the complete opposite actually. I was saying you'd have to watch multiple media outlets to get all the stories bc they both only report on ones that go along with their political views or back up their political views. And I can tell you I'm not bias, I'm very sickened by both sides bc both sides are very stubborn to the point where they are blind.
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Posted 8/28/15

anzn wrote:


J-POP187 wrote:
Pot calling the kettle black tbh


anzn instead of getting into petty insults why don't you try debating? See if any of his info wrong and back it up with a source
President has the power of the pen
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/politics/immigration-executive-action/index.html
While congress has the power of the purse
http://history.house.gov/institution/origins-development/power-of-the-purse/

cuz he said he doesn't want a annual roast debate so.

Gross.
CNN.


CNN, Fox, MSN,NPR that what we have to work with in the US. Where do you get your news from?
If it's an issue that I care for then i'm going to look at multiple sources left leaning, right leaning to form my own judgement. Anyone that onlys listens to one source of info is doing themselves a disservice.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

anzn wrote:
cuz he said he doesn't want a annual roast debate so.


That is not a good reason to resort to petty insults. It is a good reason to either:

1) Ignore the post
2) Debate anyway, in hopes that even if the person you are responding to isn't interested, others might read and find value in your response.

I'd deleted your response which had no discussion value, but I wasn't quick enough as it lived on in quotation. I've decided to leave that quotation with reply in place, since it held good advice for everyone.

You have been warned many times about responding in a personal insulting manner. Just stop.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
An executive order must be pursuant of an act of Congress, is limited by the scope of the powers granted to the President by the federal constitution, and is subject to judicial review. It is not a way to bypass the legislature. It is an institution which empowers the chief executive to set priorities to make optimal use of the funding that Congress endows the executive's agencies with, issue commands to the various parts of the executive concerning what to do and how to do it, and to delegate executive authority as needed. Without the ability to issue executive orders the President couldn't do anything.

It's not really on topic, but I figured I'd put that out there since this is so frequently misunderstood.


scoobydew wrote:

So Blue I had a political question you might know the answer but you might not. Has the American people elected more Presidents from the Senate or Congress wildcard would be Governor of a State. I guess my question why don't we call them out when they don't get anything done as a Congressman instead we elect them as a President ?


By my count (which may be off) the score stands as follows:

Senate: 16
House: 19
Both House and Senate: 10
Governors: 21
All Three: 3

For reference, here are the names I pulled up:

Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

lorreen wrote:


anzn wrote:
cuz he said he doesn't want a annual roast debate so.


That is not a good reason to resort to petty insults. It is a good reason to either:

1) Ignore the post
2) Debate anyway, in hopes that even if the person you are responding to isn't interested, others might read and find value in your response.

I'd deleted your response which had no discussion value, but wasn't quick enough as it lived on in quotation. I've decided to leave that quotation with reply in place, since it held good advice for everyone.

You have been warned many times about responding in a personal insulting manner. Just stop.

It wasn't a personal insult???
I don't even know this guy.


Posted 8/28/15
I would vote for Deez Nuts, because if Deez Nuts was able to be president, they would blame, Deez Nuts.
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Theres too many issues pulling from too many sides to get a complete view of anything. For example, you have one side pulling for increased funding in domestic support programs such as welfare and decreased funding towards the military. The other side is pulling for decreased funding in domestic support programs and increased funding towards the military.

Perhaps both could balance the budget on their own (although the consequences would likely be very different), but when working together, the result we too often see is increased funding in domestic support programs and increased funding towards the military. The problem comes from the partisanship of the government moreso than any individual. While the president is the individual with the most power, there is still a lot of compromise from both sides which ends up reaching a solution that nobody really wanted.
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No, the President issuing an executive order forestalling prosecution of undocumented immigrants isn't bypassing the legislature. It wasn't when Reagan did it, it wasn't when Obama did it. Is it a political move? Definitely, and in both cases. Is it within their powers? Yes, because they have the power to determine how to allocate the resources they're given to pursue enforcement of whatever laws they think require the greatest attention at the moment. That's part of the executive branch's powers.

Edit: Incidentally, since we're on news sources I tend to like a combination of the Washington Post, BBC, NPR, the New York Times, and The Guardian. For news out of Japan I prefer the English version of NHK. I consider Russia Today and Xinhua to be unashamed propaganda.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

anzn wrote:


lorreen wrote:


anzn wrote:
cuz he said he doesn't want a annual roast debate so.


That is not a good reason to resort to petty insults. It is a good reason to either:

1) Ignore the post
2) Debate anyway, in hopes that even if the person you are responding to isn't interested, others might read and find value in your response.

I'd deleted your response which had no discussion value, but wasn't quick enough as it lived on in quotation. I've decided to leave that quotation with reply in place, since it held good advice for everyone.

You have been warned many times about responding in a personal insulting manner. Just stop.

It wasn't a personal insult???
I don't even know this guy.


Let's not quibble about "personal" (though I think what you said does in fact attack the other person's person and that's what I call making it personal). Can we agree that:

- calling someone "just stupid"
- suggesting that someone "lives under a rock"

are at least mildly insulting. And also that accusing someone of trolling is often used as a way of insulting or diminishing someone's argument through a quick-and-easy character-label? (Do you not believe that others have said the same about you with that intention).

I will not argue about this more here. It is off-topic.

On-topic - We should all read what BlueOni has to say.


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Posted 8/28/15

BlueOni wrote:

An executive order must be pursuant of an act of Congress, is limited by the scope of the powers granted to the President by the federal constitution, and is subject to judicial review. It is not a way to bypass the legislature. It is an institution which empowers the chief executive to set priorities to make optimal use of the funding that Congress endows the executive's agencies with, issue commands to the various parts of the executive concerning what to do and how to do it, and to delegate executive authority as needed. Without the ability to issue executive orders the President couldn't do anything.

It's not really on topic, but I figured I'd put that out there since this is so frequently misunderstood.


scoobydew wrote:

So Blue I had a political question you might know the answer but you might not. Has the American people elected more Presidents from the Senate or Congress wildcard would be Governor of a State. I guess my question why don't we call them out when they don't get anything done as a Congressman instead we elect them as a President ?


By my count (which may be off) the score stands as follows:

Senate: 16
House: 19
Both House and Senate: 10
Governors: 21
All Three: 3

For reference, here are the names I pulled up:


Thanks Blue for my answer interesting couple presidents served and three positions and yet not much to their legacy as office served not even a image on a coin or paper money
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scoobydew wrote:

Thanks Blue for my answer interesting couple presidents served and three positions and yet not much to their legacy as office served not even a image on a coin or paper money


I just kept running into William Henry Harrison as I went along. He was the USA's original "career politician", apparently.



I'm sorry I can't answer your main question, though. I honestly don't think there is any singular reason for why politicians who perform poorly in one office manage to do well in pursuit of others. It really depends on the individual. Charisma, timing, public sentiment, all that and more can feed into the "why" of it, and it's all extraordinarily subjective.
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Posted 8/28/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

You misread him. He said CNN and Fox are biased so in order to get the best unbiased possible view you need to watch both the right biased media and left biased media.

It's the same exact thing my AP Government & Comparative Politics teacher advised back in high school. It's not a bad method.



Watching the news on american television is torture. All of the main sources are biased/ not informed well enough to trust. I think using one source to find out what's going on is a good start, but I think that looking into it in more depth (i.e not just watching the news but also using the internet too) is better. My Government teacher said a similar thing too, but he mentioned looking into it more than just the main news stations.
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