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Posted 8/3/15 , edited 8/3/15
This isn't really to stir any shit. I am just curious about how people feel about pirating things that are essentially off the market. Meaning that even if you did buy it, none of the money would end up in the developer's pocket.

I am basically saying like anything, video games, dvds, books, that you can only find either by pirating or by getting it secondhand off of like an online auction.

There are definitely ethical reasons that you shouldn't pirate goods that still produce revenue for the developer. But how do you feel about those that don't?

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My personal opinion is essentially that it is in fact ethical to pirate off the market goods. The only incentive in not doing it is allowing wealthy people the opportunity to horde something rare or obscure and blocking the rest of the world access to it.

Actually I have an example of something obscure lost because no one did pirate it.

Even after years of searching I cannot find a decent quality version of Viewtiful Joe anime episodes 27-52. The only ones on the entire internet it seems are poor quality copies dubbed in Portuguese. The show was a flop and Capcom never released the season 2 DVDs, nor did they license season 2 anywhere aside from like Brazil for some reason.
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Posted 8/3/15
How about those collectors items? That's a crime to resell?
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Posted 8/3/15 , edited 8/3/15
- Don't do it

Also, plz don't post anything illegal ...
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If there is no other way of getting something, I see no problem with pirating...
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Posted 8/3/15

alexwithcandy wrote:

- Don't do it

Also, plz don't post anything illegal ...


I am not going to post anything. I am just curious about how people feel about it.
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All I know is that I'm paying money and receiving a product. If I have a hard time getting the item otherwise and/or the difference in cost is large, I'll buy. The likelihood that I will buy is increased if I actually need the item, obviously, and not just want it.

If you don't do it, I can see why. But if you do it, I can still see why.
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Japanese music isn't often sold in the U.S. I feel like the distributors understand just how many people pirate it internationally and usually don't give a rats ass about distributing it here. Japanese CDs are priced awfully and tax, if you're ordering it, from say CDjapan can cost more than the CD itself. I'm totally fine with that system, because I'm probably gonna keep downloading Japanese stuff illegally because of the lack of accessibility to 'Murcia. Not gonna lie. I don't want to, and I don't HAVE the money to shell out to buy all the music I want, so I pirate most of it since I need my money for other stuff, and I'm "greedy" and can't live without music. Tbh idc whether the money ends up in anyone's pockets, or if it's taken away. You see Taylor Swift acting like a whiny pissbaby because she can't sell enuff on spotify, yet she still makes billions, I don't feel a lot of sympathy for her.
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I don't oppose items that are not otherwise for sale.

It's not like the original distributor is losing money that would have otherwise gone to support new content.

I also oppose the length copyright laws have been extended over the last 50 years. Disney has been the driving force behind the legal changes, effectively preventing their older material from ever entering public domain. This was never the original intent of the copyright laws.
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Posted 8/3/15 , edited 8/3/15

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Japanese music isn't often sold in the U.S. I feel like the distributors understand just how many people pirate it internationally and usually don't give a rats ass about distributing it here. Japanese CDs are priced awfully and tax, if you're ordering it, from say CDjapan can cost more than the CD itself. I'm totally fine with that system, because I'm probably gonna keep downloading Japanese stuff illegally because of the lack of accessibility to 'Murcia. Not gonna lie. I don't want to, and I don't HAVE the money to shell out to buy all the music I want, so I pirate most of it since I need my money for other stuff, and I'm "greedy" and can't live without music. Tbh idc whether the money ends up in anyone's pockets, or if it's taken away. You see Taylor Swift acting like a whiny pissbaby because she can't sell enuff on spotify, yet she still makes billions, I don't feel a lot of sympathy for her.


That is actually not the type of pirating I am talking about. I do some of that type myself, but it is ethically wrong under the notion that it theoretically is a deterrent of creativity, regardless of how it actually affects those who would profit from it.

My example would be more in the sense of, let's say that one of Taylor Swift's songs became public domain, she wouldn't be able to profit from it anymore. The only people who would gain money would be those distributing it, for the sake of argument lets say buying a cd from some guy on Ebay. Do you think in that case that it is okay to pirate it for free? Or do you feel obligated to buy it from the guy on ebay?
Posted 8/3/15 , edited 8/3/15
This is not gonna be about poo? -Sad face-
I'm not too fussed about this, honestly... I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to try and watch something i'm probably going to forget in no time.
Posted 8/3/15
Sooo kinda like used games in GameStop or online...?

If that's it, it depends for me.
If I really wanna support the developer, I'd try to buy the new copy or something rather than a used one.
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If it is used in very good condition, being an actual legal product and not a bootleg mind you, I have no problem getting that over the same item new if the discount is good. Outright bootleg products, though, I'd never knowingly buy. The quality would be lesser than an actual product, plus if it's a movie or music it's probably free online already, and it would have never generated revenue for the content creator unlike a used legal product which once did.
Posted 8/3/15
thanks to file sharing software i've been able to hear thousands of albums and singles only issued in Japan. The only place to get these usually are in physical format through japanese auction sites and occasionally second hand copies will come up somewhere. Somebody who originally owned this album has ripped and decided to share it amongst fans who can't afford to pay for albums that last got a release like 30 years ago. I don't see any difference between doing this and ripping music for friends physically.

I still collect a lot of music physically and will buy certain things pretty often.
Posted 8/3/15
I don't think it's wrong to buy/sell secondhanded goods. Some of us just don't have the space/storage for things, and it's better to sell to someone who needs/wants it than to leave it in cobwebs. I'm sure if people were true artists, they would appreciate that their art is being used by more people.

I think it's more wrong to put codes on stuffs so that you can't lend stuff to a friend or someone.

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I never download music. I will get some books second hand through legal sources swapping with people and I use my local library. Authors get a small payment from our library system for the amount of time their books are used so they will get revenue once when the book is bought by the library and a second time from the loan of the book. I will borrow some DVDs from the library for a fee. They've paid for the privilege of having DVDs on loan.

I don't have to have certain music or watch certain shows. They're not necessities just entertainment. I also don't need collectors items or big popular items/clothing just to have that particular brand. I'll choose something for function and quality first before I notice their brand name. I'd also rather a brand name be discrete on a product. I don't intend to go around being an advertisement.
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