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Title says it all. Just curious why it seems like there is so much narcissism among anime fans? It seems like even the youngest of Otaku are bitter and find something to complain about with every series. Regardless of how good a series might actually be, it's still "crap" to someone. It's like "Hey if I don't like this show then I MUST let others know why it's crap!". I know you can't please everybody, but it just seems like most people aren't pleased with ANYTHING in anime anymore and just yearn to complain or yearn only for whatever anime they grew up with, or some similar circumstance.

I don't know. Maybe I am just easily amused, but I have thoroughly enjoyed much more anime over the past decade or so compared to anime I haven't enjoyed. I only know of three animes I started that I never finished, but I am also sure those animes have plenty of fans and I for one am not going to try and tear down what someone else might enjoy.

Is every anime that comes out really crap? Or are we really that bitter that we just need to tear down things that other people like?


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Or are we really that bitter that we just need to tear down things that other people like?


Slagging someone's favorite show is a great way to get other people to pay attention to you, if only for the short while it takes to realize that you've not got anything else to say. (Using "you" in the general sense here.) And attention-seeking behavior is what drives a narcissist.
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Yamstarch wrote:
Or are we really that bitter that we just need to tear down things that other people like?


Slagging someone's favorite show is a great way to get other people to pay attention to you, if only for the short while it takes to realize that you've not got anything else to say. (Using "you" in the general sense here.) And attention-seeking behavior is what drives a narcissist.


Yeah. I get it. I just personally don't like to tear things down for other people. Or have my likes torn down. Typically if a show really is crap there is a general consensus of that. But, if a show is popular, but you don't like it, then that is your hangup and not something to force feed others. (Using "you" and "your" in the general sense here.)

After thinking about it for a few minutes after posting my little rant and then your reply. I agree that this is probably the most probable and direct cause of such matters. People simply want to be noticed, even if for a fleeting time.

Oh well, I guess we'll see how the rest of this discussion plays out if it keeps going.
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You're just being sensitive

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I don't think there's anything special about anime fans at all. Somebody somewhere will rip into whatever it is you love with both arguably rational and completely irrational criticism and hate. Whether it's important and popular, unimportant and unpopular, or anything in between.
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This is every post I make on the Internet
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Yamstarch wrote:
Typically if a show really is crap there is a general consensus of that.


And that magically draws me towards watching it. *chuckles*
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Regardless of how good a series might actually be, it's still "crap" to someone. It's like "Hey if I don't like this show then I MUST let others know why it's crap!". I know you can't please everybody, but it just seems like most people aren't pleased with ANYTHING in anime anymore and just yearn to complain or yearn only for whatever anime they grew up with, or some similar circumstance.

I only know of three animes I started that I never finished, but I am also sure those animes have plenty of fans and I for one am not going to try and tear down what someone else might enjoy.

Is every anime that comes out really crap? Or are we really that bitter that we just need to tear down things that other people like?




First of all, that's not what narcissism means (noun; excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.) If the person/people were narcissistic, they either wouldn't be talking to you nor would they have noticed that you like the anime they're tearing down in the first place. If anything, in that situation, their greatest fail in etiquette would be talking to hear themselves talk.

"Regardless of how good a series might actually be, it's still "crap" to someone."
I hate to break it to you, but that's life. Just because A-ko likes waffles, doesn't mean B-ko likes waffles. B-ko is not tearing down the idea of waffles for A-ko when she explains why she doesn't like them, she is merely expressing her opinion and how she feels about waffles. After hearing this opinion, A-ko is not going to stop liking waffles, and B-ko isn't going to start liking them. If A-ko were then to say something like: "B-ko, you don't like hardly any breakfast foods", that statement does not nullify the fact that B-ko doesn't like waffles.

In other words, you're the one making this all about yourself when the fact is that everyone has their own tastes. What your question should have been was this: "Why do new anime not get as warm a reception as old anime?" and the answer to that is relatively simple. The answer is that nostalgia goggles are a thing that make something familiar seem better than it actually is. On top of that, a lot of people just have preferences for genre, character types, etc., and don't see those things in the new anime. It's not a detriment to them, it's just how they feel.
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First of all, that's not what narcissism means (noun; excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.) If the person/people were narcissistic, they either wouldn't be talking to you nor would they have noticed that you like the anime they're tearing down in the first place. If anything, in that situation, their greatest fail in etiquette would be talking to hear themselves talk.

"Regardless of how good a series might actually be, it's still "crap" to someone."
I hate to break it to you, but that's life. Just because A-ko likes waffles, doesn't mean B-ko likes waffles. B-ko is not tearing down the idea of waffles for A-ko when she explains why she doesn't like them, she is merely expressing her opinion and how she feels about waffles. After hearing this opinion, A-ko is not going to stop liking waffles, and B-ko isn't going to start liking them. If A-ko were then to say something like: "B-ko, you don't like hardly any breakfast foods", that statement does not nullify the fact that B-ko doesn't like waffles.

In other words, you're the one making this all about yourself when the fact is that everyone has their own tastes. What your question should have been was this: "Why do new anime not get as warm a reception as old anime?" and the answer to that is relatively simple. The answer is that nostalgia goggles are a thing that make something familiar seem better than it actually is. On top of that, a lot of people just have preferences for genre, character types, etc., and don't see those things in the new anime. It's not a detriment to them, it's just how they feel.


Mmmm perhaps you're right and Narcissism was the wrong word choice. I was meaning it more along the lines of as You the viewer or You the commenter only willing to express Your views onto others as to why the anime that someone else likes isn't good.

I get that everyone has their own tastes. Believe me I do. In no way did I mean this as myself grabbing attention. Moreso just trying to open up dialogue as to a situation I have been noticing across forums and other forms of social media for people constantly dogging on each other for their likes and dislikes. I don't mind people having different opinions. For instance I think the Persona series sucks. But I don't tell people constantly ad nauseam why I think it sucks. I simply don't like it. And I get why other people do enjoy it.

Perhaps it's just something that's new to me since I only even started joining in anime based social media since late winter/early spring. I'm sure it's gone on since the advent of the internet.

Aww crap. There I go again being narcissistic and making it about me
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If anime fans were saying "You're an idiot for liking X show", then there would be a problem, but there's nothing wrong with expressing your dislike in a sensible, reasoned way. I can think of extremely popular shows I hate, but my hatred doesn't invalidate the shows or those who like them. By the by, I find those who feel a desperate need to communicate their excessive LIKE for a show just as irritating as excessive haters. There has to be a nice middle ground somewhere.
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By the by, I find those who feel a desperate need to communicate their excessive LIKE for a show just as irritating as excessive haters. There has to be a nice middle ground somewhere.


Ah yes. This is very true as well. I honestly hadn't thought about that side of it. But I get it too. There really are multiple sides to any sort of fandom.
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Yamstarch wrote

Perhaps it's just something that's new to me since I only even started joining in anime based social media since late winter/early spring. I'm sure it's gone on since the advent of the internet.


Ah, yeah, that's probably it. elux72 has it right though, there are people who say awful things like "You're an idiot for liking X show" and in those cases it's best just to ignore them. But if they lay out their reasons for not liking something maturely, than it's not so bad.

I guess you're just wondering about the type of people whose tastes in anime become pickier over time, right? I think there was a thread like that recently that you might find interesting.
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Why stop at just anime fandom? Plenty of it to go around for nearly everything these days. People are full of themselves and more often than not they're the ones who are wrong. I rarely see anyone who can back their shit up.
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Because this community is shit like any other nerd community.
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