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Post Reply Aoharu x Machinegun hits a bit close to home
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Posted 8/5/15
Thanks for your honesty and insight I always will appreciate new opinions especially someone with first hand experience. I looked up the Manga and always find it refreshing to see an author I don't recognize and even more so a female in a tough market
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Ehh the show is pretty mediocre. Sabagebu was so so much better last year.
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Interesting. I consider Hotaru as a statement on gender norms myself. She doesn't seem to be trying to be one gender or the other and just gets annoyed that she gets mistaken as a male so easily just because the way she dresses and carries herself is considered masculine. That's how she basically got into her current predicament and now can't clear up the misunderstanding else Toy Gun Gun might kick her out of the group.

But I guess she could be considered a transgender character, gender fluid even if she has occasions where she prefers to dress and act more feminine.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

You don't know how privileged you are until you abandon your privileged status.



I'm not what you people would call "privileged," love.
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Posted 8/5/15

kdroberts wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

You don't know how privileged you are until you abandon your privileged status.



I'm not what you people would call "privileged," love.


I'm saying that Trans people can be especially aware of the logs that fuel the feminist fire

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You got me worried for a sec; thought that topic would be about how the AxM protagonist is trans because she's a crossdresser, something that is not only ignorant of the cultural context (the restrictive gender norms of Japan) but is also an overly simplified and insensitive interpretation of gender dysphoria.

Fortunately, that isn't the case. I really don't know much when it comes to the subject, but even I know that being transgender is nowhere near that simple.
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Also my avatar.




what is the title of that one...im curious
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Posted 8/5/15

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what is the title of that one...im curious


Boku Girl. Fun stuff.
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Ejanss wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

I'm saying that Trans people can be especially aware of the logs that fuel the feminist fire



The same way I get in touch with my Inner Black every time I listen to blues music.

For some reason, however, it doesn't quite work as well when I go through South Central, and my rich understanding of their culture somehow goes unappreciated, just because they're intolerant enough to see me as what society calls, quote-fingers, "white".
Perhaps if I was to go in blackface and an Oakland Raiders hoodie, and quote lines from Gone With the Wind, they might see my deep inner commitment to the problems of their people.


Typical of you. All that erudition and all you use it for is the mockery of others. Sad really.

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Honestly, It baffles me that this show could be seen as anything other than a social commentary on trans rights and people having to pretend to be their assigned gender due to social restrictions. In the west at least, and honestly Authorial intent doesn't matter. I think that this story is ideal for explaining the basics of Transness to Cis people.

The main issue is that Hotaru IS a girl. She does not get RECOGNIZED as a girl. Sometimes she must act out a gender she is not. Yet, that does not negate her Femininity. It's not about "Wanting" anything in particular. She IS. End of story.

I acknowledge that anime has a terrible track record with trans characters.
When I mentioned Ruka before: I love Ruka, but I hate the way she is treated in Stein's Gate. It does not handle her transness, or her motivations for changing her body, well at all.
Nura's Awashima is better, because he isn't buying into what other people tell him his gender is, he references ancient mythology that acknowledges intersex existence as a Japanese understanding (as well as a place of oppression), and finally he treats it as a unique quality in himself that can make him stronger.
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Zenatyra wrote:

Honestly, It baffles me that this show could be seen as anything other than a social commentary on trans rights and people having to pretend to be their assigned gender due to social restrictions. In the west at least, and honestly Authorial intent doesn't matter. I think that this story is ideal for explaining the basics of Transness to Cis people.

The main issue is that Hotaru IS a girl. She does not get RECOGNIZED as a girl. Sometimes she must act out a gender she is not. Yet, that does not negate her Femininity. It's not about "Wanting" anything in particular. She IS. End of story.

I acknowledge that anime has a terrible track record with trans characters.
When I mentioned Ruka before: I love Ruka, but I hate the way she is treated in Stein's Gate. It does not handle her transness, or her motivations for changing her body, well at all.
Nura's Awashima is better, because he isn't buying into what other people tell him his gender is, he references ancient mythology that acknowledges intersex existence as a Japanese understanding (as well as a place of oppression), and finally he treats it as a unique quality in himself that can make him stronger.



If the intent of the author doesn't matter, and any interpretation is just as valid, how can an interpretation which disagrees with yours "baffle" you? Yours is thus no more valid than any other, according to your perspective.
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Most of these posts are trying to say it's wrong to interpret it one way or another. There used to be a time we'd listen to and watch things while relating it to ourselves. Ever hear a song and get something out of it that meant more to you that maybe wasn't the original intention? It's almost like it's art? You know someone says 'hey the cloud looks like a duck', but you see a knight? Geez.

Hell I find Naruto a gay love story, but hey who gives a shit?


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Typical of you. All that erudition and all you use it for is the mockery of others. Sad really.



Yet so awfully common.
Posted 8/5/15

PrinceJudar wrote:

Most of these posts are trying to say it's wrong to interpret it one way or another. There used to be a time we'd listen to and watch things while relating it to ourselves. Ever hear a song and get something out of it that meant more to you that maybe wasn't the original intention? It's almost like it's art? You know someone says 'hey the cloud looks like a duck', but you see a knight? Geez.

Hell I find Naruto a gay love story, but hey who gives a shit?



Seriously, this right here. It's not "disrespectful" (pfft) to interpret a work a certain way, especially when that work leaves room for such an interpretation. That and so many commentators are really exaggerating what OP is saying, they were just saying they relate to the experience not that Hotaru is actually transgender.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

Most of these posts are trying to say it's wrong to interpret it one way or another. There used to be a time we'd listen to and watch things while relating it to ourselves. Ever hear a song and get something out of it that meant more to you that maybe wasn't the original intention?


Yeah, I remember thinking there were dirty lyrics in "Louie Louie", and that "Blinded By the Light" made reference to feminine hygiene products.
Turns out there weren't, and it didn't. That's called being wrong.


Zenatyra wrote:

Honestly, It baffles me that this show could be seen as anything other than a social commentary on trans rights and people having to pretend to be their assigned gender due to social restrictions. In the west at least, and honestly Authorial intent doesn't matter.


As I've written a few stories myself, I feel I have to chime in in defensive of authors:
Back when I was starting out, I wrote a nice little magical-realist YA novel about a shy, withdrawn girl who doesn't like to reveal that she has wings. When I wrote it, I'd written the character to be a clear depiction of teens with body issues holding them back, but I knew that somewhere out there, and there always is, there would be the teen who wanted the story to be ALL ABOUT THEM! saying "It's a metaphor about a girl afraid to come out to her family and friends, and discovering how free-spirited she can be!"
Er, no. Uh-uh. That's not what he, namely me, wrote.

Now, I'm sure the teen who read that interpretation and took such comfort into pasting their own face on the character and assuming they were reading all about themselves, would be rather disappointed to be told that they were, quote, "wrong" in their interpretation, and try to abstract their way out of the argument and back into their nice imagined comfortable sense of self-importance by saying "Well, readers bring many interpretations, and it's not always what the author intended, as sometimes the author doesn't matter!"
Uh, excuse me? Who did you just say didn't matter? Might I ask just exactly what you were doing when I was typing up the darn thing?? I don't get to ask Shakespeare what his plays were about, but if I'm still around that someone can asks me what my stories were about, and tells me I'm wrong if it's not what they wanted to hear...friend,before you can tell me I didn't write what I thought I did, you will only take my story away from me out of my cold freakin' dead hands.
(There were similarly a hundred overenthusiastic interpretations of what people thought Lord of the Rings was really quote-fingers "about", whether it was WWII or drug addiction, and according to his letters, they all drove Tolkien up the wall. He'd said he'd written a story about magic rings, but we don't get to ask him, either.)

I'm not sure the manga author--who likely intended a metaphor about girls' roles in Japanese society, or just wanted a kickass heroine--would be quite as protective of their story, but you're doing a good job of picking a fight with them from a nice safe distance of 12,000 miles away.
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From what I've watched, it seemed more like the mangaka just wanted to write a yaoi manga but couldn't for some reason, so she made the MC a reverse trap instead.
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