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Posted 8/5/15
I know at my kids school they ask for such things and generally the parents that can't afford it aren't made to do it they get enough from the class and if they don't will send out a letter asking parents if anyone could help out and bring more in. I guess if it's not unreasonable the community should pull together for it and it would be unfair to raise taxes on everyone when they don't have kids. Parents that can shoulder the responsibility a little should.
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And believe me, if I was supplying toilet paper for the school, I'd buy something a heck of a lot better than that transparent sandpaper/onionskin they DO use because they could buy it bulk.
What gets on my nerves is when the teacher asks for these home supplies while the school is handing out fliers asking for a $5 donation. Like I have to get tissues, toilet paper, paper towels, baby wipes, hand sanitizer AND you ask me for a donation? I remember volunteering as a counselor in training and kids would literally buy the whole lists of items that was requested to impress the teacher.

And this is 30 something kids we're talking about. After the semester is over, there would be bulks of left over items for people to take home


Ok so I hear your voice and its loud. Why don't you do something about it if it really bothers you at the school your child goes too. What about PTA we are always looking for people with a loud voice who like to express their opinions. For me its my kids class what do they need I want my child to have it I mean what's the bottom line in your mind 20 dollars 30 dollars? small price for education in my most humble opinion
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Posted 8/6/15

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Ok so I hear your voice and its loud. Why don't you do something about it if it really bothers you at the school your child goes too. What about PTA we are always looking for people with a loud voice who like to express their opinions. For me its my kids class what do they need I want my child to have it I mean what's the bottom line in your mind 20 dollars 30 dollars? small price for education in my most humble opinion
I don't have a kid, I'm just speaking from when I was in prime school
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Posted 8/6/15

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You are responsible for the supplies one way or another.

Option 1: Advocate for/agree with higher taxes and funding for the education system. They will get whatever they need, and be able to buy in bulk for discounts.

Option 2: Advocate for/disagree with ever raising taxes for education. You will purchase school supplies directly.


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It is not a question of "Am I responsible", it is a question of, "How do I want to pay."

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We don't have anything like this in the schools I went to growing up. The only things you were required to bring was your own pencils, crayons, lined paper, other regular school supplies. We were never asked to give housekeeping supplies. I'm pretty sure they buy all that in bulk.
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In public education the schools should provide all necessary items.Pay the taxes and support the schools.
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Posted 8/6/15
I would say it's not really excessive. Every school I've attended that asked for supplies like that didn't make it a requirement. Usually they would just give you some extra credit on a test or something like that.
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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

We don't have anything like this in the schools I went to growing up. The only things you were required to bring was your own pencils, crayons, lined paper, other regular school supplies. We were never asked to give housekeeping supplies. I'm pretty sure they buy all that in bulk.


Budget cuts.

Schools are facing spiraling expenses in other areas and are being forced to cut money anywhere they can.

One of the local school districts in my area just put out statement: "Raise property taxes or we will be forced to discontinue all extra-curricular activities, music and sports."

It's not often you hear teenagers seriously discussing politics with each other in public, but this has them fired up.
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Posted 8/6/15

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Budget cuts.

Schools are facing spiraling expenses in other areas and are being forced to cut money anywhere they can.

One of the local school districts in my area just put out statement: "Raise property taxes or we will be forced to discontinue all extra-curricular activities, music and sports."

It's not often you hear teenagers seriously discussing politics with each other in public, but this has them fired up.


That's happening here, but not in the same form. The cuts are being taken from teacher salaries, probably, because we have had quite a few teacher strikes as of late. As a result, they've been passing legislation to make the teachers stop striking in the usual manner so the teachers responded by saying they wouldn't run extracurricular activities any more. As a result though, a lot of people just volunteered to run the programs instead so they went back to doing them after a year.

I should be clear that they aren't enforcing pay cuts, it's that the teachers are striking for a raise on their current salaries and all the usual stuff. I am neither a teacher, nor do I have a child in school though, so I have a hard time feeling like I should have an opinion at all.

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Posted 8/6/15

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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

We don't have anything like this in the schools I went to growing up. The only things you were required to bring was your own pencils, crayons, lined paper, other regular school supplies. We were never asked to give housekeeping supplies. I'm pretty sure they buy all that in bulk.


Budget cuts.

Schools are facing spiraling expenses in other areas and are being forced to cut money anywhere they can.

One of the local school districts in my area just put out statement: "Raise property taxes or we will be forced to discontinue all extra-curricular activities, music and sports."

It's not often you hear teenagers seriously discussing politics with each other in public, but this has them fired up.


We have same issues here in my area but telling property owners to raise property taxes gets people pissed off who don't have kids. What we did is build a donation website for school can be anonymous or not- point and click a donation. The principal was kinda negative she said only half of the school might have internet but we said we are going forward. First semester 5,000 in donations. Second semester 10,000. Present day donation amount 15,000 plus 2 material/supply grants for 5,000 each all because the parents took action and moved forward. PTA and volunteer parents have power to change the norm especially if you don't listen to negatives
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Posted 8/6/15

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We have same issues here in my area but telling property owners to raise property taxes gets people pissed off who don't have kids. What we did is build a donation website for school can be anonymous or not- point and click a donation. The principal was kinda negative she said only half of the school might have internet but we said we are going forward. First semester 5,000 in donations. Second semester 10,000. Present day donation amount 15,000 plus 2 material/supply grants for 5,000 each all because the parents took action and moved forward. PTA and volunteer parents have power to change the norm especially if you don't listen to negatives


The school district here is looking at a $100 million shortfall, mostly due to increasing population.

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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

We don't have anything like this in the schools I went to growing up. The only things you were required to bring was your own pencils, crayons, lined paper, other regular school supplies. We were never asked to give housekeeping supplies. I'm pretty sure they buy all that in bulk.


Budget cuts.

Schools are facing spiraling expenses in other areas and are being forced to cut money anywhere they can.

One of the local school districts in my area just put out statement: "Raise property taxes or we will be forced to discontinue all extra-curricular activities, music and sports."

It's not often you hear teenagers seriously discussing politics with each other in public, but this has them fired up.


This actually is nothing new. In the late sixties the overcrowding in North Eastern Ohio schools was phenomenal.Thanks to the "boomers".The voters voted for a new school which sat empty, because the same voters wouldn't pass a tax initiative for operating expenses.You should have seen what the halls looked like when you tried to change class.Reminiscent of a scene from the original Star trek's "The Mark Of Gideon".
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Posted 8/6/15

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scoobydew wrote:


We have same issues here in my area but telling property owners to raise property taxes gets people pissed off who don't have kids. What we did is build a donation website for school can be anonymous or not- point and click a donation. The principal was kinda negative she said only half of the school might have internet but we said we are going forward. First semester 5,000 in donations. Second semester 10,000. Present day donation amount 15,000 plus 2 material/supply grants for 5,000 each all because the parents took action and moved forward. PTA and volunteer parents have power to change the norm especially if you don't listen to negatives


The school district here is looking at a $100 million shortfall, mostly due to increasing population.



Sometimes this can be overwhelming and seem like you cant do anything abut the problem. We try to stay up beat and focus on our neighborhood school like its in a fiscal bubble only way to feel sane and secure pink slips happen every year but wtf? kids need a public school
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Posted 8/6/15
Here is my problem, I show up with wish list items plus the required items for my children but when you see some Parents roll up in a sixty thousand dollar Mercedes with nothing for the class it's like WTF. The best is when they walk in the class like they built the fucking school or something. I have been paying taxes in my county since I was 20 most of these people moved here last year when a large development was built down the road. What pisses me off is buy a bunch of shit but don't label it! No, I am not some broke as loser or anything just saying everybody should help the schools if financially able and have children attending the schools in question.
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Funding is mostly covered by taxes. Some schools are now increasing asking for some stuff like new books. Budgets have been cut. What is taking up a lot of money is a system that saw schools rebranded, new buildings were built as part of a Public Private Initiative. In the past the school and state owned the buildings outright. Under the PPI the school properties were leased to the schools and part of the agreement was that the schools had to have specific contractors to service the schools. These contractors set a high price and the schools were bound by contract to have them even though the cost of them was eating up most of the schools' budgets. The same thing happened with fitting new computers in the schools. They're on loan, the school must pay up because they're bound by contract. The price was higher than average and in some cases outrageous. The schools would have been better off buying their own equipment and hiring their own services on the open market.

In the Caribbean, schools had supplies for building maintenance. Sometimes toilet paper was short because it was doled out sparingly. If we ran out and needed more and asked at the office, you'd get just one roll. There'd be some fund raising for major projects like a new school hall. That's mostly done by having annual parties plus raffles. Students were required to bring all their individual text books for each subject. Parents were presented with a book list. Students also had to bring their own pencils, erasers, rulers and a mathematics kit. Student were also required to get the correct uniform (some required monograms), sports uniform and any other change of clothing needed for classes. Computers were supplied. Lately they've issued all secondary school children with their own individual lap tops. Students took care of their books because they knew their parents personally acquired them. You took your books home with your or left them in school lockers or locking desks. I didn't trust leaving mine there so I hauled all those books every single day even though I knew there was problems with some children developing back ache from doing so.

I noticed that in the UK students mistreated their books a lot because they assumed they'll be easily replaced by the school. It would have been kind of difficult to have that complacent attitude in the Caribbean because most parents would be up in your face to find out if things had been mistreated or carelessly lost.
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