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An unarmed white teen was shot dead...
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Posted 8/6/15

Dark_Alma wrote:


The stats in that picture are off. You need to account for other factors such as percentage of each race, the outstanding warrants, crime rates by each race etc. Only looking at one variable (in which that does) will lead to a false report that wont be accepted anywhere. Try a .org/.gov/.edu site. Com sites are generally unusable in professional reports.


dude honestly? this input was helpful. good to remember for papers and stuff but even then,



Also something to consider, more force than needed seems to be used on the mentally ill, but the Department of Justice has not released a report.
Posted 8/6/15

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the protests are more about how it happens more often to people of color, but any unethical killing should get attention regardless. white deaths get a lot less coverage, but looking at the data,

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/police-shootings-ferguson-race-data
I can see why protesters would pay more attention to that.

Whoop there it is.

Case closed.
Posted 8/6/15 , edited 8/6/15
Well, i'm sure nobody really examines my posts, but if they did, then they would probably notice that i've always been concerned about the use of lethal force by the police - not really the race thing. The race thing is a separate issue (but is still an important issue, of course).

I feel like making a comic strip about this.

"Hey! I think there's a problem with the police's use of firearms. Just look at all these shootings of unarmed black men"

"NUH-UH! They shoot unarmed white people too! So no problem!"

"But that was never my point to begin with... "

Though, I admit, quite a few people make it a race thing - so I understand why this is somewhat upsetting. But to me, it just reinforces the issue, personally.

However, the problem is that the shooting of unarmed, black men occasionally occupy the dual states of being a police problem and a race problem. Encompassing two problems at once is likely what makes them more "newsworthy" - but I agree that the police problem is (for me at least) an even bigger issue since lives are on the line. Not that dealing with racism isn't important, but the police shooting problem just makes the racism problem worse.

However, the racism problem also brings the police shooting problem to light. They're separate, but still intimately connected.
Posted 8/6/15 , edited 8/6/15
Why do you WANT an outrage though...
The reason why people feel the need to have an "outrage" is because they aren't being heard. They HAVE to. Nobody ever wants to have riots & outrages for basically asking them to stop killing innocent people.
And this is honestly like, what, the first or 2nd white dude killed by police this year? Compared to probably nearly 400, half of them being black people, being shot & killed by police this year alone?

Did they arrest him?
Are they investigating him?
What punishment is that officer gonna get?

Seriously.
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man why it gotta be my state again


AiYumega wrote:

Race really should not matter. Someone getting shot is someone getting shot, regardless of their skin color.


das right

now it is time to

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

Read into article.

TLDR: More whites killed from 2013 to 2015. Blacks more likely due to " the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones."

I will work on getting the study, but look at the variables that are included. It is a long list of variables that show accuracy. Also, I am aware its a .com site as well.

.org site: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/study-more-whites-killed-by-police-than-blacks

Reasons for more whites killed? Cops in black neighborhoods have to deal with more crime, hence better trained and are not as trigger happy.

A simple study, notice more whites killed. Also a refutable site: http://killedbypolice.net/
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And this is honestly like, what, the first or 2nd white dude killed by police this year? Compared to probably nearly 400, half of them being black people, being shot & killed by police this year alone?


Did you even read the article?

In the article it states that 25% of deaths by police shootings this year were of black individuals, and other data over a larger span of time states that about 50% of deaths by police shootings are white individuals with 30% being black individuals. All statistics suggest that there are more white individuals killed by police than black individuals.

EDIT: It seems like others are bringing up the same points as me, so I'm not going to continue this discussion unless I see something that isn't being addressed.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

Read into article.

TLDR: More whites killed from 2013 to 2015. Blacks more likely due to " the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones."

I will work on getting the study, but look at the variables that are included. It is a long list of variables that show accuracy. Also, I am aware its a .com site as well.

.org site: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/study-more-whites-killed-by-police-than-blacks

Reasons for more whites killed? Cops in black neighborhoods have to deal with more crime, hence better trained and are not as trigger happy.

A simple study, notice more whites killed. Also a refutable site: http://killedbypolice.net/

someone who actually provided sources, yay. really, police brutality in general really needs to be brought to attention, it doesn't matter who it's against. any examples should get exposure and attention, including examples of white people. I was more trying to show where the protesters are coming from. I think it's understandable. you brought up good stuff that most people, including myself, didn't really think about. so yeah.
Posted 8/6/15 , edited 8/6/15

Dark_Alma wrote:




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/21/police-kill-more-whites-than-blacks-but-minority-d/?page=all

Read into article.

TLDR: More whites killed from 2013 to 2015. Blacks more likely due to " the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones."

I will work on getting the study, but look at the variables that are included. It is a long list of variables that show accuracy. Also, I am aware its a .com site as well.

.org site: http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/study-more-whites-killed-by-police-than-blacks

Reasons for more whites killed? Cops in black neighborhoods have to deal with more crime, hence better trained and are not as trigger happy.

A simple study, notice more whites killed. Also a refutable site: http://killedbypolice.net/

Have you thought that maybe...idk...white people being kill more often because they literally take up 73% of the US population?
Also, have you thought maybe those white folk killed by police weren't innocent as well? And it was one of those cases where police most likely have to kill them as well? Because arresting them might not have been a possible option?

I mean, black people being about 13% of the US population and all.
Lets say, a million black people are killed, and a million white people are killed.

Seeing as there are over 300,000,000 people currently living in the US, there are at least 200,000,000 white folk, since they take up 73% of the population.
Black people take up 13% so thats about 38,000,000 black folk.
Kill one million white people & you still have more white people in the country than any other race.

See how people would see this as an issue among minorities? Especially when they're also more likely to be killed, arrested, put in jail, raped, etc etc?


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anzn wrote:

And this is honestly like, what, the first or 2nd white dude killed by police this year? Compared to probably nearly 400, half of them being black people, being shot & killed by police this year alone?


Did you even read the article?

In the article it states that 25% of deaths by police shootings this year were of black individuals, and other data over a larger span of time states that about 50% of deaths by police shootings are white individuals with 30% being black individuals. All statistics suggest that there are more white individuals killed by police than black individuals.

EDIT: It seems like others are bringing up the same points as me, so I'm not going to continue this discussion unless I see something that isn't being addressed.

I don't eat up that shit like you guys do just because it's in your favor sorry.
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Posted 8/6/15

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Race really should not matter. Someone getting shot is someone getting shot, regardless of their skin color.


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anzn wrote:
I don't eat up that shit like you guys do just because it's in your favor sorry.


Yeah, I just love being more likely to be murdered by the police. Its fucking fantastic.

(i couldn't help myself).

PS: The issues you are talking about (crime...they are all crime related) are all CLASS issues, not race issues... Unless you are somehow implying that black people are predisposed to violence which would be a pretty fucked up and wrong thing to say, this statement is pretty darn self evident.
Posted 8/6/15 , edited 8/6/15

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anzn wrote:
I don't eat up that shit like you guys do just because it's in your favor sorry.


Yeah, I just love being more likely to be murdered by the police. Its fucking fantastic.

(i couldn't help myself).

PS: The issues you are talking about (crime...they are all crime related) are all CLASS issues, not race issues... Unless you are somehow implying that black people are predisposed to violence which would be a pretty fucked up and wrong thing to say, this statement is pretty darn self evident.

Thats not likeliness.

That's just deaths/kills. And since white people make up 73%, that's kinda expected.
Murders though? It does not say.

Which is what y'all don't ever think about/put into thought either.
Posted 8/6/15
Why people need to stop saying #AllLivesMatter


Thx reddit user GeekAesthete.
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Posted 8/6/15 , edited 8/6/15

anzn wrote:
Thats not likeliness.

That's just deaths/kills. And since white people make up 73%, that's kinda expected.
Murders though? It does not say.

Which is what y'all don't ever think about/put into thought either.


If I have a run in with the police, the statistics indicate that it is more likely that I would be shot than a black individual. The reason the statistics seem skewed to you is because black individuals are more likely to have run ins with the police (a symptom of class, not race).

Anyways, I don't believe there are any statistics which discuss wrongful shootings and exposure bias makes it impossible to make an assumption about that. However, logic would indicate that the factors leading to more shootings involving white individuals, most notably the lower amount of police training outside of high crime areas, would lead to a greater instance of wrongful shootings involving white individuals as well...


anzn wrote:

Why people need to stop saying #AllLivesMatter

Thx reddit user GeekAesthete.


It would be more like you were a black individual at a white friend's house, having dinner with their family and you realized that they were out of rolls, so you said "Black people should get their fair share" and everybody looked at you like "why the fuck are you making this a race issue?"
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Someone didn't read the article. All of what you stated has been accounted for. Read all my sources, word for word before judging please.
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