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Posted 8/9/15

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People often look at the atrocities other nations have committed and condemn them for it, while completely forgetting about their own countries atrocities.

One would have to look long and hard to find any nation with an innocent past, but one would expect the humanity of a nation to improve over the course of more than 700 years, whereas it might not in only a tenth that time span.

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Posted 8/10/15 , edited 8/10/15

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UnholyKyono wrote:

People often look at the atrocities other nations have committed and condemn them for it, while completely forgetting about their own countries atrocities.

One would have to look long and hard to find any nation with an innocent past, but one would expect the humanity of a nation to improve over the course of more than 700 years, whereas it might not in only a tenth that time span.



You'd be hard pressed to find a Japanese citizen who still has the mindset and mentality of the Second World War. A lot of Japanese citizens at the moment are in an uproar due to the Prime Minister easing sanctions on their pacifism, thus allowing the JSDF to go to war to defend an allied nation. Citizens don't want that, they wish to remain pacifist, a far cry from 70 years ago.

Also let us not forget Germany. Completely different nation than it was 70 years ago.

EDIT: So yes, a nation CAN change in 70 years.

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indeed...

Anyway , thats good to know that the mangaka was indeed a JSDF and respectfully depicted that organization as much as one can, with all the accurate depiction of weaponry but of course not the new high tech ones

And all these fascinated me becuase of my father's military background , reading all the military books he had when i was just a child, did a mini military training in HS, assembled M-16 rifles like a toy although I never fired one and will never fire one.Up to now ,


about the manga ,I wonder if he was a fan of Stargate but making the other world abit backwars but where mages and death gods and elves exist ...well and more.
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Posted 8/15/15
Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.
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Posted 8/15/15 , edited 8/15/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


Now that you mention it, it's the latest Japanese modern tank, and they showed it in Gate, right ?
I think I came across its wiki page during my "Girls und Panzer" rewatching phase.
I regret nothing, this anime was a blast !

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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/16/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


What is there to talk about them. Obviously they are for infantry support since by this time, the JSDF really do not expect the Empire to field a tank of their own.
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Posted 8/16/15

GoodLube wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


Now that you mention it, it's the latest Japanese modern tank, and they showed it in Gate, right ?
I think I came across its wiki page during my "Girls und Panzer" rewatching phase.
I regret nothing, this anime was a blast !



No, the Type 74 tank is an old tank. The current tank in service in the JSDF is the Type 90, which entered into service in 1990.

It makes sense to use an outdated tank when you do not expect your enemy to field armored forces of their own. Why weaken your defenses by withdrawing top of the line tanks for infantry support.
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Posted 8/16/15

UlricK67 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


What is there to talk about them. Obviously they are for infantry support since by this time, the JSDF really do not expect the Empire to field a tank of their own.


Well I for one. know nothing but the name. I can surmise a few things like they were probably loading HESH rounds AKA 'Hamburger Helper'. but I'm completely unfamiliar with the tank, it's year of manufacture (I can GUESS that one) what it looks like live. crew size operational stats... etc etc.


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iashakezula wrote:

indeed...

Anyway , thats good to know that the mangaka was indeed a JSDF and respectfully depicted that organization as much as one can, with all the accurate depiction of weaponry but of course not the new high tech ones

And all these fascinated me becuase of my father's military background , reading all the military books he had when i was just a child, did a mini military training in HS, assembled M-16 rifles like a toy although I never fired one and will never fire one.Up to now ,


about the manga ,I wonder if he was a fan of Stargate but making the other world abit backwars but where mages and death gods and elves exist ...well and more.


You know the existence of mages creates the following philosophical question: What is the nature of magic?

Is it an external source like Star Wars' The Force or is it an internal source like Telepathy, Telekinesis or Pyrokinesis?
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Posted 8/16/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


UlricK67 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


What is there to talk about them. Obviously they are for infantry support since by this time, the JSDF really do not expect the Empire to field a tank of their own.


Well I for one. know nothing but the name. I can surmise a few things like they were probably loading HESH rounds AKA 'Hamburger Helper'. but I'm completely unfamiliar with the tank, it's year of manufacture (I can GUESS that one) what it looks like live. crew size operational stats... etc etc.




Well, yes. It was designed and enter into production in 1974. It was an amalgam of the best feature of current MBTs (Main Battle Tank) at the time. More about the tank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_74
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/16/15

UlricK67 wrote:


GoodLube wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


Now that you mention it, it's the latest Japanese modern tank, and they showed it in Gate, right ?
I think I came across its wiki page during my "Girls und Panzer" rewatching phase.
I regret nothing, this anime was a blast !



No, the Type 74 tank is an old tank. The current tank in service in the JSDF is the Type 90, which entered into service in 1990.

It makes sense to use an outdated tank when you do not expect your enemy to field armored forces of their own. Why weaken your defenses by withdrawing top of the line tanks for infantry support.


Aren't the JSDF using the Type 10 now?

Also I found this site with all the weapons being used in the show.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Gate:_Thus_the_JSDF_Fought_There

EDIT: Yup, the Type 10 went into service with the JSDF in 2012. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/type-10-tk-x-main-battle-tank-mbt/

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Posted 8/16/15

UnholyKyono wrote:


UlricK67 wrote:


GoodLube wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Surprised no one has talked about the type 74 tanks yet.


Now that you mention it, it's the latest Japanese modern tank, and they showed it in Gate, right ?
I think I came across its wiki page during my "Girls und Panzer" rewatching phase.
I regret nothing, this anime was a blast !



No, the Type 74 tank is an old tank. The current tank in service in the JSDF is the Type 90, which entered into service in 1990.

It makes sense to use an outdated tank when you do not expect your enemy to field armored forces of their own. Why weaken your defenses by withdrawing top of the line tanks for infantry support.


Aren't the JSDF using the Type 10 now?

Also I found this site with all the weapons being used in the show.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Gate:_Thus_the_JSDF_Fought_There

EDIT: Yup, the Type 10 went into service with the JSDF in 2012. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/type-10-tk-x-main-battle-tank-mbt/



It seems they are.

Type 74 and Type 10 side by side:

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Posted 8/16/15

UlricK67 wrote:


Well, yes. It was designed and enter into production in 1974. It was an amalgam of the best feature of current MBTs (Main Battle Tank) at the time. More about the tank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_74


Ah very handy. Hmmmm.... doesn't Fire HESH... maybe the HEP serves in it's place
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Posted 8/16/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


UlricK67 wrote:


Well, yes. It was designed and enter into production in 1974. It was an amalgam of the best feature of current MBTs (Main Battle Tank) at the time. More about the tank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_74


Ah very handy. Hmmmm.... doesn't Fire HESH... maybe the HEP serves in it's place


More like HEAT rounds. After all HEAT stands for High Explosive Anti Tank. Although it is an anti-tank round, it can also double as an artillery round. Very useful when dealing with hardened positions like bunkers. Or castle walls in this case.
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Posted 8/16/15

UlricK67 wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


UlricK67 wrote:


Well, yes. It was designed and enter into production in 1974. It was an amalgam of the best feature of current MBTs (Main Battle Tank) at the time. More about the tank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_74


Ah very handy. Hmmmm.... doesn't Fire HESH... maybe the HEP serves in it's place


More like HEAT rounds. After all HEAT stands for High Explosive Anti Tank. Although it is an anti-tank round, it can also double as an artillery round. Very useful when dealing with hardened positions like bunkers. Or castle walls in this case.


HEAT is great against hardened structures. But High Explosive Squash Head is called 'Hamburger Helper' for a reason.

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