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HEAT is great against hardened structures. But High Explosive Squash Head is called 'Hamburger Helper' for a reason.


Yeah, but in combat you use what you have not what you wish you could have. Unfortunately the Type 74 cannot fire HESH so it has to make do with HEAT.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:
HEAT is great against hardened structures. But High Explosive Squash Head is called 'Hamburger Helper' for a reason.


Yeah, but in combat you use what you have not what you wish you could have. Unfortunately the Type 74 cannot fire HESH so it has to make do with HEAT.


Well there was High Explosive Plastic. which I had never heard of before. maybe it's the infantry killer. (or in this case Knight and legionary killer)


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The Type 74 used the British L7 105mm gun if I'm not mistaken, which WAS capable of firing HESH rounds.


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papagolfwhiskey wrote:
HEAT is great against hardened structures. But High Explosive Squash Head is called 'Hamburger Helper' for a reason.


Yeah, but in combat you use what you have not what you wish you could have. Unfortunately the Type 74 cannot fire HESH so it has to make do with HEAT.

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UnholyKyono wrote:

The Type 74 used the British L7 105mm gun correct?


That's what the wikipedia entry says. although only the barrels were actually imported. everything else was local manufacture.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


UnholyKyono wrote:

The Type 74 used the British L7 105mm gun correct?


That's what the wikipedia entry says. although only the barrels were actually imported. everything else was local manufacture.


I looked at the Wiki yes but nearly everything from the Cold War era was using the British L7 or a variant of it. Even the Americans were using it in early production M1 Abrams.

So basically the L7 105mm gun is the "grand daddy of modern tank guns"?
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UnholyKyono wrote:

The Type 74 used the British L7 105mm gun if I'm not mistaken, which WAS capable of firing HESH rounds.



Yeah, but this is a licensed version of the L7 so no HESH rounds capability. There is more to the gun than the barrel. In this case both the breech mechanism and the shock absorbers are the ones who decide which munition the gun can use.

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UlricK67 wrote:


UnholyKyono wrote:

The Type 74 used the British L7 105mm gun if I'm not mistaken, which WAS capable of firing HESH rounds.



Yeah, but this is a licensed version of the L7 so no HESH rounds capability. There is more to the gun than the barrel. In this case both the breech mechanism and the shock absorbers are the ones who decide which munition the gun can use.



Yeah read further into it and realised they only imported the barrel, everything else was built by Japan. My bad!

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UnholyKyono wrote:

So basically the L7 105mm gun is the "grand daddy of modern tank guns"?


Yes, but by this time it is the Reinhmetall 120 mm smoothbore cannon the one who everybody is using. Reinhmetall even has a 140 mm smoothbore ready in case tanks need an upgrade in fire power. So far everybody is happy with the 120 mm.
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About magic in combat. Since this hasn't been brought up yet SPOILER ALERT!
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And people said there was nothing to discuss. I learned me some stuff.
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

And people said there was nothing to discuss. I learned me some stuff.


There is always something new to learn.
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Was interesting reading about star fortresses on the other thread too.
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Was interesting reading about star fortresses on the other thread too.


Well, I like to read a lot and there is a logic to it. The greatest defense has always been a wall. Even a low wall, barely one meter tall can be a daunting obstacle when in combat.

For millenia tall walls made of stone were the defense of towns and cities. Then came the catapult in its various incantations and the walls became somewhat soft to absorb the impact. The gun made its appearance and the walls came down and were replaced by low mounds of soft earth. Then the explosive shell appeared and we started making holes in the ground, because everything above ground was a target.

And with the weapons, the fortress changed shape and composition, but not location. Fortresses tend to be in the highest terrain possible where the surrounding area could be controlled.

In the case of GATE, it is lucky for the JSDF that the gate itself is in a hill. Otherwise they would have needed to build a series of fortifications to defend the gate.
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I am surprised that they aren't using the one weapon that wiped out more natives through out history then any other smallpox. In fact the idea of spreading disease through the native population intentional or unintentional has never even been discussed
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Was interesting reading about star fortresses on the other thread too.


Well, I like to read a lot and there is a logic to it. The greatest defense has always been a wall. Even a low wall, barely one meter tall can be a daunting obstacle when in combat.

For millenia tall walls made of stone were the defense of towns and cities. Then came the catapult in its various incantations and the walls became somewhat soft to absorb the impact. The gun made its appearance and the walls came down and were replaced by low mounds of soft earth. Then the explosive shell appeared and we started making holes in the ground, because everything above ground was a target.

And with the weapons, the fortress changed shape and composition, but not location. Fortresses tend to be in the highest terrain possible where the surrounding area could be controlled.

In the case of GATE, it is lucky for the JSDF that the gate itself is in a hill. Otherwise they would have needed to build a series of fortifications to defend the gate.


That reminds me. I wonder where they put the airstrip?
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