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Posted 8/10/15 , edited 8/17/15
Lots of sites are already doing it, Flash has too many security holes
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Posted 8/10/15

ShinAmaterasu wrote:

Lots of sites are already doing it, Flash has too many security holes


Most sites that have released HTML5 players have done so with a caveat/limited browser support, and still use Flash/Silverlight players as backups when required.
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Posted 8/17/15
most of the latest browsers now support html5 video - IE8 which windows no longer supports is the last one not to have it enabled.

Personally, I would rather see html5 default with flash fallback - like youtube and other sites. In fact, funimation has html5 video.
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Posted 8/19/15
I agree, Crunchyroll moving to HTML 5 will be a huge improvement.
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Posted 8/20/15
I also agree. With all the security issues associated with Flash it would do sites like Cruchyroll well to move away from it.
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While Funimation has had an HTML5 player for a while now, it was limited to certain browsers (mobile and Safari on the Mac). It appears that with their new site update (February for the UK, May for the US), they will be going all in with HTML5:
http://www.funimation.com/forum/showthread.php?9582-Questions-About-FunimationNow/page5 (message #46)

It also appears that when TAN/ANO redid their site that they may have also provided HTML5 playback support. I don't currently have Flash installed in Firefox, and I don't get any message about needing Flash when I click on an episode (but unfortunately, it doesn't play either, the video never seems to load, and their "busy" indicator just continues to rotate).
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Posted 1/17/16
Here is animelab's HTML5 player (and a flash out of date message that I get from here) on whatever the latest firefox release is http://imgur.com/EPqVvOR it looks like Funimation is going to copy Animelab. The logo and the purple looks nearly the same. :p

Animelab's does contain DRM and if you disable play DRM content in the browser you get a busy indicator that never goes away like TheAncientOne describes (maybe he has it disabled?) .
Other then firefox's HTML5 support broke in April of last year (until a later release) Animelab works on any html5 compatible web browser. Firefox, Chrome, IE, Opera, Safari + even smart tv browsers. With captions though I believe Animelab's are hard coded.
Animelab launched with HTML5 player and made a flash player later on.
So the limited support shouldn't be a thing anymore with CR or whoever. They might need to change their DRM practices or whatever and recode? all there files. It should still be doable though.


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Posted 1/17/16 , edited 1/17/16

penguincat wrote:

Animelab's does contain DRM and if you disable play DRM content in the browser you get a busy indicator that never goes away like TheAncientOne describes (maybe he has it disabled?) .

I checked the Primetime Content Decryption Module described by Mozilla and it is set to "always activate". It could be that TAN/ANO is using a different DCM that isn't being installed.

I disabled Flash in Edge and was able to view videos at The Anime Network with no problem, which confirms they are indeed using a HTML5 player (at least for subscribers).


It appears that among the notable online streaming services for anime fans, the holdouts come February will be Hulu, CR, and apparently Daisuki. (While Daisuki gives me no message about not having Flash installed, it simply displays their logo and goes to a black screen in the player, both in Firefox as well as in Edge with Flash disabled. With Flash enabled in Edge, the video plays normally).
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It's honestly time for Crunchyroll to get into gear and officially support HTML5 playback.

I do remember a comment from someone at CR which stated that the rights holders were nervous about allowing HTML5 playback. Obviously this is no longer the case as Funimation, which is simulcasting some of the same shows as Crunchyroll this season, does support HTML5.
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Posted 1/17/16

TheGreekKey wrote:

It's honestly time for Crunchyroll to get into gear and officially support HTML5 playback.

I do remember a comment from someone at CR which stated that the rights holders were nervous about allowing HTML5 playback. Obviously this is no longer the case as Funimation, which is simulcasting some of the same shows as Crunchyroll this season, does support HTML5.


There's more to HTML5 playback than simply "officially support" the format.
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Posted 1/17/16 , edited 1/17/16

eyeofpain wrote:


TheGreekKey wrote:

It's honestly time for Crunchyroll to get into gear and officially support HTML5 playback.

I do remember a comment from someone at CR which stated that the rights holders were nervous about allowing HTML5 playback. Obviously this is no longer the case as Funimation, which is simulcasting some of the same shows as Crunchyroll this season, does support HTML5.


There's more to HTML5 playback than simply "officially support" the format.


I understand that support for HTML5 is not an easy undertaking. The main hurdle is browser support which Firefox, Google Chrome, Edge, and Safari all are HTML5 compatible. It seems as if the licensors are finally coming around to HTML5 (ex. Funimation streams).

By "officially support" I mean that Crunchyroll needs to develop a web player that will enable HTML5 playback. If need be, they can allow for a fallback onto flash if a certain browser is not fully compatible yet. Adobe itself is now starting to encourage developers to embrace HTML5 playback and that says a lot. For Crunchyroll not to have some sort of HTML5 playback or at least something in the works is embarrassing imo.

All of what I've said can be applied to Hulu as well.
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Posted 1/19/16
One of the questions I asked over at Funimation was if their new player would still have a fallback to Flash for older browsers. The answer came back today:

The new video player will be HTML5 only. There will be no Flash backup player. The minimum supported browsers for this are Chrome 4.0, IE 9.0, Firefox 3.5, Safari 4.0, and Opera 10.5.

So Funimation is not only going to support HTML5, they are going to make a clean break from Flash.
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Posted 1/23/16 , edited 1/23/16

TheAncientOne wrote:

One of the questions I asked over at Funimation was if their new player would still have a fallback to Flash for older browsers. The answer came back today:

The new video player will be HTML5 only. There will be no Flash backup player. The minimum supported browsers for this are Chrome 4.0, IE 9.0, Firefox 3.5, Safari 4.0, and Opera 10.5.

So Funimation is not only going to support HTML5, they are going to make a clean break from Flash.


In addition to that, they are very generous with their browser support for HTML5. For example, Safari 4.0 is pretty old at this point and the fact that these older browsers are supported means that browsers are more than capable of streaming HTML5. Like I previously stated, the licensors are even allowing it now.
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