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I'm not fond of modern feminism; it focuses on all the wrong things, such as making women in media less sexy. Meanwhile twelve year old girls are getting married off in Africa.
Right now(in the west), now that women have all the same rights as men, we need to focus on more social problems, on both sides. Men shouldn't be expected to be such hulking pillars of strength for example. Not everyone fits into gender roles so exactly, and they shouldn't be looked down on for it. Most issues that remain are more social problems, rather like how African American still face discrimination(just not as serious)
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I'm not sure about the word Feminism these days being anything like it was during my childhood. Feminism used to mean "gender equality", now many people see it as "gender superiority" (the fact that women are better than men and most men are inherently evil or trash). I once had a woman I held a door open for call me a pig and tell me her arms aren't broken. The funny fact is I held that same door open for the man walking through it right before her. Sometimes manners are just manners and not an evil plot to subjugate an entire gender of people. Should I have just let the door go to hit that woman in the face instead of holding it? Whether man or woman I wouldn't have.


It's more like 'gender sameness' and it really goes overboard and into superiority.

Like that woman in your example, she probably got 'offended' because she believed you treated her as a woman as opposed to just treating her as you would any man. Being treated as a woman has become derogatory to some modern feminists for that very reason (even if the inherent action is otherwise intended). That's kind of the problem modern feminism has spilled over and into.

It doesn't make sense to me, but it does to them. I don't think there's wrong with femininity or being treated like a woman as long as under good intentions (like in your example, it was not demeaning, but chivalrous).
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Feminism is as diluted as can be. Women do deserve equal rights, however that does not mean that misogyny is acceptable. Feminism is meant to be a fight for women to have equal standing in society, but this new wave of feminism has made it that feminism is being superior to male scum which is something that's a fatal flaw. For a feminist to say "I believe women should have the same rights as men" is a perfectly correct statement, but blaming any and all men for using privelege is ridiculous.

My thoughts are this. Feminism was a necessity in the time it was born, where women were at a major disadvantage, much like women in a lot of countries now. However, this new group of feminists are SJW's who believe anything is a problem and oppression, and it's just not the truth.
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neugenx wrote:

I'm not sure about the word Feminism these days being anything like it was during my childhood. Feminism used to mean "gender equality", now many people see it as "gender superiority" (the fact that women are better than men and most men are inherently evil or trash). I once had a woman I held a door open for call me a pig and tell me her arms aren't broken. The funny fact is I held that same door open for the man walking through it right before her. Sometimes manners are just manners and not an evil plot to subjugate an entire gender of people. Should I have just let the door go to hit that woman in the face instead of holding it? Whether man or woman I wouldn't have.


It's more like 'gender sameness' and it really goes overboard and into superiority.

Like that woman in your example, she probably got 'offended' because she believed you treated her as a woman as opposed to just treating her as you would any man. Being treated as a woman has become derogatory to some modern feminists for that very reason (even if the inherent action is otherwise intended). That's kind of the problem modern feminism has spilled over and into.

It doesn't make sense to me, but it does to them. I don't think there's wrong with femininity or being treated like a woman as long as under good intentions (like in your example, it was not demeaning, but chivalrous).


I would agree with you on most points but the woman in my example was looking right at me when I held the door for the man in front of her too so (unless she thought he was actually the bearded lady from the circus) it was quite obvious that there was nothing gender specific about it.
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One thing that most women complain about that has always made me laugh about is "cat-calling" Most of the women that I deal with in most of the rougher trades that I've been in have always called men pet names. Sugar, Suge, Love, Hun, Darling, etc etc, and some are rather hands on. Touching the backs of your hands, arms etc etc. If a woman gets really cat called on a site, I haven't seen it, not union so it's mostly elbows and assholes, but one thing most people don't know is people do whistle for audible commands on site.

Not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm just saying that it's also a two way street, and if you hear two short one long it isn't for you.


I've been complimented while driving all the time, honking horns and all the type. I find it flattering and their good mood is certainly contagious often! Cat calling complaints are often taken too far and blown out of proportion.

I've only been in one genuine cat calling incident and that was where I was at a gas station and a group of guys circled their car around me and wouldn't take 'no' for an answer. Not a good situation. I won't say I'm 'scarred for life though', yah know? Lol.

And yes I agree, men can deal with these issues too lol.


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I would agree with you on most points but the woman in my example was looking right at me when I held the door for the man in front of her too so (unless she thought he was actually the bearded lady from the circus) it was quite obvious that there was nothing gender specific about it.


Soooo she was just being a bitch then. Lol.

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Any form of feminism is a vile plague and it should be dealt with violently.


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Soooo she was just being a bitch then. Lol.



Pretty much so, yes .
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Feminism is as diluted as can be. Women do deserve equal rights, however that does not mean that misogyny is acceptable. Feminism is meant to be a fight for women to have equal standing in society, but this new wave of feminism has made it that feminism is being superior to male scum which is something that's a fatal flaw. For a feminist to say "I believe women should have the same rights as men" is a perfectly correct statement, but blaming any and all men for using privelege is ridiculous.

My thoughts are this. Feminism was a necessity in the time it was born, where women were at a major disadvantage, much like women in a lot of countries now. However, this new group of feminists are SJW's who believe anything is a problem and oppression, and it's just not the truth.


I agree modern feminism has expanded its scope far beyond the original intention and goal. I don't agree with the modern feminist, like yourself, but what do you think of traditional feminists?

I don't think feminism is as necessary as it is over here in the US, but there are certainly still issues where it is necessary on the global scale. I don' think it's wrong to advocate that, or the legitimate issues faced in our society today for any gender
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All I'm gonna say is my mom was a Marine (a good one she even authored so protocol the Drill Instructors use.) She was a WSSI a Drill Instructor AND was deployed over seas to fight in the Gulf War so no one is gonna convince me that you can't accomplish something.
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What sets you apart from people who do not identify as a feminist?
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neugenx wrote:

Pretty much so, yes .


Yeaaaaah, those exist in any group, lmfao.


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What sets you apart from people who do not identify as a feminist?


Advocating gender equality. Kind of the original purpose.
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wingopanda wrote:

Any form of feminism is a vile plague and it should be dealt with violently.


How's greenland, buddy?


I think you know.
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I'm not sure about the word Feminism these days being anything like it was during my childhood. Feminism used to mean "gender equality", now many people see it as "gender superiority" (the fact that women are better than men and most men are inherently evil or trash). I once had a woman I held a door open for call me a pig and tell me her arms aren't broken. The funny fact is I held that same door open for the man walking through it right before her. Sometimes manners are just manners and not an evil plot to subjugate an entire gender of people. Should I have just let the door go to hit that woman in the face instead of holding it? Whether man or woman I wouldn't have.


Ah, I remember when I was talking with three girls on my University campus... then a wild Modern Feminist appeared. I never got called a playboy and a misogynistic pig, and a rape apologist within 15 seconds. I think I set a record.

I once also held open a door for 7 people during Red Raider Orientation. The 3rd girl fussed at me for holding the door stating "My arms work perfectly fine on their own thank you very much!"

I guess point of this story is that Modern Feminism has got a tad bit too far. When I was a kid I considered myself a feminist. I now say I am an Egalitarian. This can be seen as where I lie on the Political Spectrum (Socialist in layman's terms, Left Wing Authoritarian in depth). The entire premise of those are sticking up for the oppressed and creating equality. What the Modern Feminists fail to put into perspective is things males have to suffer as well...

1) More dangerous jobs.
2) Higher rate of suicide.
3) Chances of getting custody of a child with a wife is drastically lower.
4) Higher chance of being murdered (73.5% of all murders were male).
Etc. Etc.

...I understand women may have it rough, but things on both side need to be looked at if you want to go down that road. If you don't want to go down that road then please don't bring it up.

I am for equality for all. Traditional Feminism or Egalitarian
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Yeah there's been a much deserved backlash from it. You'd think some of the backlash coming from women would wake them up. You're right they're attempting to prolong their spotlight, and often in order to do so is by calling upon mundane issues or statistics void of accounting for variability. Most women are now complacent in today's society (US) and reject modern feminism for its folly and often appalling means of approach.

Traditional feminism is a lot more, ah, satisfied. Although I will say not entirely, but only as much as any general issue. The problem is that complacency also means that women that would identify as a traditional feminist, have lesser of a reason to advocate in their general and complacent lives. Less activity, less power and much less voice. The loud voice of modern feminism is a minority of females, certainly although visibly seeming otherwise.

Modern feminism has certainly done some harm, and these next years will be a backlash of it, to men and women.

It's discussion like these that are certainly more positive so far though! It's not like traditional feminism creates rifts. Feminism was meant to seal rifts by working together.


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...I understand women may have it rough, but things on both side need to be looked at if you want to go down that road. If you don't want to go down that road then please don't bring it up.

I am for equality for all. Traditional Feminism or Egalitarian


There are always two sides. I acknowledge men have their own issues, certainly. It's not all roses and dandelions on the male side either, not at all. It's only by understanding one another that we are able to come together and work on our problems together instead of separately!

Wooo! And that's progress! Glad to hear it!
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What defines "modern" feminism?
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