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How is there actually an existence?
Posted 8/13/15 , edited 8/13/15
This isn't a religious topic so please refrain from putting 'god'. Thank you

So this has always stumped my mind. How can we actually exist? Sure a very well thought out theory is the big bang theory, which states how we came to be or how the universe was essentially created. But what if you trace back to before the big bang? What would we find? How?

So lets say you do trace the existence until before the big bang. Some theories state there could be a multiverse of many universes. Well this isn't a topic about that. This topic is to keep tracing back until the very beginning. The big bang was supposedly a concentrated ball of just matter and energy that exploded right? So it was something before the universes existence.
Trace back further. And further. How can there actually be an existence of anything? If you really think it about it feels weird. If you keep tracing back it would seem that you'd eventually find nothing. No existence, I mean that would make sense. So that means something came from nothing right? How is that possible?
Or another mind bending topic. The 'existence' has been infinite all along. We can't really understand infinite or infinity. Our universe isn't infinite. Yet something existed from nothing. Or something become from nothing. Two equally minding bending thoughts I just wanted to make a topic on. True infinite existence VS something being born from absolutely nothing.

What are your thoughts on this? Does this make your brain feel strange like mine? Sorry for any grammatical errors, It's late at night and I wanted to quickly post this.
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I think you need some sleep...

Time is infinite. There's no beginning or end. Going back in time to before the Big Bang would put you in limbo. You'll just keep going further back forever. Everything was created from the Big Bang. What caused the Big Bang? Something lead up to it. How did that "something" come into existence? I don't know. Magic?

Maybe everything you classify as reality is actually just a figment of your imagination. You're dreaming right now. Your family doesn't exist. Jupiter doesn't exist. That stain you got on your shirt when you spilled your drink doesn't exist. This post doesn't exist! It's all in your head.



There's no real way to explain it. No need to hurt your brain thinking about it.

Anyways, it's 5:00 a.m. and I don't know if what I wrote made any sense. I'm going to sleep. I suggest you do the same.
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Posted 8/13/15
Just going to say our brains are not equipped to know / handle the answer i believe.
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Don't think it's fair to completely throw religion out the window.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

Just going to say our brains are not equipped to know / handle the answer i believe.


In other words…



What if we're all just sentient cells, floating through a small box of air, who are plugged into some kind of virtual reality as our perception deceives us?!!

Nah, really, who knows what the truth is, when it comes to things like this I have more of a leniencey towards scientific hypothesis but you can't necessarily prove it and rule out the deity option either, because there is no outstanding proof, we just, shockingly enough, exist? Or so we think we do?

Don't make my brain fry! My brain can't handle the truth! My brain can't handle the final form to the long unanswered question!!
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Posted 8/13/15 , edited 8/13/15

PhantomGundam wrote:
Time is infinite. There's no beginning or end. Going back in time to before the Big Bang would put you in limbo. You'll just keep going further back forever. Everything was created from the Big Bang. What caused the Big Bang? Something lead up to it. How did that "something" come into existence? I don't know. Magic?


We don't actually know that.
For all we know, the big bang could have been very similar to that of a singularity inside a black hole, and to make matters worse, we don't know what that is either.

Also time is for all we know, relative. This means you can stretch it or even come close to make it cease entirely. Gravity can be funky like that.
You can't however make it go back in reverse as far as we know.

As for your question OP, how things were before the big bang is almost a complete mystery to us much like the singularity.
There are however theories.

One of such theories is the "Big Crunch".
Basically, the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, and the theory goes that at one point it will all cease to accelerate to a point where it will collapse on itself, a bit like when a sun dies. When this happens, the process will start all over again with an explosion such as the big bang, a bit like a spring that has been crunched to its bursting point.



As for our existence, naturally we can't prove that we actually exist.
For all we know, we could be a simulated experiment in a massive computer.
Something, that we are actually working on to get done ourselves, from which it's believed to be plausible that we could potentially create a new universe ourselves.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/07/universe-recreated-computer-simulation-model-big-bang

Theoretically, an extremely detailed simulation ought to be able to naturally simulate life.
Would this life be self-conscious ? possibly.
In fact, some scientists have gone on record to state that we could potentially be one of such simulations ourselves, not because they particularly believe in that, but because it's plausible according to some.

Before you get all depressed, the good news are that it's been stated before that infomation can never be lost in our universe.
This effectively means that everything that was, and ever will be, will never truly cease to exist, because we are written in everything.

Finally let me poke at the big bang theory once more, because as much as we state this as our most plausible beginning, we don't actually know if that is how it happened.
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I always thought I was living inside of a little alien childs snowglobe. =O

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Not really. idc if we came from a unicorn's poop.

i'm more bothered by why we exist and whats the point in existence.
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Still trying to figure out which one is true.

Im for the Rick and Morty theory, where we are just videogame characters and everybody who isn't you are just advanced AI.
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Well the thing about that.. We aren't sure if Time is infinite. I mean the concept of time is really weird. The past and present exist at the same time is pretty hard to grasp.
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Posted 8/13/15
How do you know the universe isn't infinite?Maybe you're non existent in a universe of existence.Time isn't necessarily linear so the quest for a beginning could be only based on your perceptions of linear time.
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Posted 8/13/15
Short answer: we have no idea, our best minds have been working on this... since forever.

Long answer: the trendy non-religious explanation to this tends to be that, since we know that something exists, the most elegant solution would be that everything that can possibly exist exists: hence multiverse theory, and we just happen to witness an arbitrary portion of it. The other option is of course that in the space of ALL possible sets of laws to run an universe on, ours just so happens to be the only one that's perfectly self-consistent and coherent, so our universe is the only one that can exist. This seems a bit of a strong assertion, but what the hell, hard to say . Personally I think it's all mumbo jumbo at our current stage. Fun starting point for a sci-fi story maybe, but fundamentally so beyond our current understanding even of OUR universe any discussion is going to be baseless nonsense. It's tempting to speculate, but as we are now, speculation is all it is imho.
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What were you expecting- Rainbows and Cute girls feeding you lollipops?
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Posted 8/13/15
We perceive what are brain is capable of perceiving, there's no guarantee that anything we observe is real at all, an unsolvable mystery

Personally, I think what we see, and that's all that we can trust
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