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Don't twist my words you mong.
Honey, those are your words exactly.
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What should the people have done with the guy with the "Help the Poor" sign? Give him a high five? Seems a little ridiculous to try to draw any sort of conclusion out of this flawed social experiment.


I remember the advert as it's from the UK, I'm sure he's holding one of those things you put money into.

On topic though, some of the poor can get fucked. If they would stop having kids (they always seem to have a lot more than others) and stop sponging off taxpayers money and drop bad habits like drinking and smoking, maybe they wouldn't be poor.


Even still, giving money (especially to some faceless entity) is not a good comparison to the words exchanged in the "fuck the poor" scenario. There are a ton of factors holding people back beyond simply their willingness to help others. Even further, systematic changes are needed to help the poor moreso than individual contributions...
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This entire thread blows my mind just a little.

It certainly is easy to judge a situation you're not in.
Also, "a poor?" Seriously, "poor" is a noun? Like, "a clueless" or "an entitled?"
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sundin13 wrote:

What should the people have done with the guy with the "Help the Poor" sign? Give him a high five? Seems a little ridiculous to try to draw any sort of conclusion out of this flawed social experiment.


Couldn't have said it any better, the social experiment is terribly flawed.

There is no special conclusion you can reach on but to donate to some organization, but take away the message and see how the reaction given to one sign and another plays out, it isn't right.

The issue with making people donate is that organizations are always try to lead some sort of momentous story line until you cry your eyeballs out and fess up some money, but that's not what's wrong- what's wrong is we actually give money to people that tries to guilt trip us into it.

People couldn't care less about homeless people until they see from some kind of special perspective a video camera can give, tell me that isn't messed up.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

Don't twist my words you mong.
Honey, those are your words exactly.


A poor family having a kid every year isn't the same as a man being homeless because he got screwed over.
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sundin13 wrote:

What should the people have done with the guy with the "Help the Poor" sign? Give him a high five? Seems a little ridiculous to try to draw any sort of conclusion out of this flawed social experiment.


I agree with this. I wouldn't bother with it either.

However, I will say that I get the point of the topic.

Here's another social experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilxjo5RlzFc

Honestly, I don't live in an urban area so I normally don't ever see this sort of thing. That being said, I don't think I could aimlessly walk by people that need help . Maybe because I'm unused to seeing it. I'm not sure. It be worse if it involved a kid though, I'd probably fork over my whole wallet's worth.

I'm not sure, but maybe people get used to seeing stuff like this. I've always believed in helping those within my reach so, that's just that. Maybe that's all this world really needs more of.
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I'm not sure if this is already a topic but I just found this on Imgur and I decided to post it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBuC_0-d-9Y <- The long version

http://imgur.com/gallery/QcDcI <-The short version

I rarely post these days but this really got me going, the thing I realize is that people only start to care when it is demeaning and wrong, the real demeaning thing is you only start to care when the situation is put on public where you have to act like you give a sh*t.

I know what this video is trying to do, it is trying to make me feel guilty- but that is not what makes me want to share this to you guy, the real question I want to ask you guys- are we as people just hypocrites?

Edit #1: Obviously you guys love to turn one topic into another and pick fights so I'm going to pour more juice that you can run on instead of trailing off.

Don't you find it odd that people only starts to care when issues are put out on Social Media and the Public? sure there are small numbers that given the age and life style they've taken- a few still cares regardless if it is brought to there attention or not, those are the kind of people that that gets the golden medal.

Is it wrong of me to say we are hypocrites? Sure! to some point, but don't twist my words into rag dolls you can play with.
I have stated that I know what this video is trying to do, it is trying to make you feel guilty for not caring- but that is not why I made this topic.

I made this topic because I want you guys to understand that be wary of what you're doing, don't feed into crap that makes you feel like even more disgusting crap, take control of yourself- either you can go out your day changing the world or just do your job and live your life.

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Do you even need to ask if we're hypocrites?

But yeah, you're correct. Us people only seem to say something about a cause to make ourselves look moral and just. Even if we feel that way normally, not everyone can go past their own lives to help others. The ones who can are amazing people in that regard.



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I'd probably pass by, thinking nothing of it. Could we as humans be more proactive? Depends. I wouldn't make excuses, i'm too lazy for that. I could (if i felt like it) accuse others for not helping but then, if they then choose to be more proactive in what they do to help the poor, so be it. It's not a credit to me.

If he didn't make you feel guilty, you wouldn't ask that question as if hypocrite is a heavy word. It's fucken fluff. You just need to be smart about learning what you would prefer to do.

There was a lady who committed suicide because she began by helped one or two charities, those charities would tell other charities about he and thinking she's an easy target, they'd send her letters. Not one to disappoint, this lady would go on to donate to more and more charities out of guilt and there you have her kindness exploited. So fuck this guy.

^These guy gets it, they understands.
So stop ruining my Topic.


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People couldn't care less about homeless people until they see from some kind of special perspective a video camera can give, tell me that isn't messed up.


I don't think it is. I think its natural. How are we supposed to feel empathy for a number or a status? Until that becomes real, as something you can see or a human you can identify with, it isn't really anything. Further, if we were to feel sorrow for every person struggling or give to everyone on the street we would be a miserable penniless wreck.
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A poor family having a kid every year isn't the same as a man being homeless because he got screwed over.
I don't know what I am suppose to learn from this comparison other then poor families are poor because they have kids and homeless men are homeless because of random occurrences. Sorry you'd have you break down the nonsense you are saying.
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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

A poor family having a kid every year isn't the same as a man being homeless because he got screwed over.
I don't know what I am suppose to learn from this comparison other then poor families are poor because they have kids and homeless men are homeless because of random occurrences. Sorry you'd have you break down the nonsense you are saying.


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DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

A poor family having a kid every year isn't the same as a man being homeless because he got screwed over.
I don't know what I am suppose to learn from this comparison other then poor families are poor because they have kids and homeless men are homeless because of random occurrences. Sorry you'd have you break down the nonsense you are saying.


Some people don't understand that their actions have consequences leading them into poverty, while others are driven to poverty due to factors more or less out of their control... The message was pretty clear to me.
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Some people don't understand that their actions have consequences leading them into poverty, while others are driven to poverty due to factors more or less out of their control... The message was pretty clear to me.
It was clear in his initial post that he was saying it was less likely the latter.
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Further, if we were to feel sorrow for every person struggling or give to everyone on the street we would be a miserable penniless wreck.





Unfortunately true. We just do however much we can though.
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sundin13 wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:


DanteVSTheWorld wrote:

A poor family having a kid every year isn't the same as a man being homeless because he got screwed over.
I don't know what I am suppose to learn from this comparison other then poor families are poor because they have kids and homeless men are homeless because of random occurrences. Sorry you'd have you break down the nonsense you are saying.


Some people don't understand that their actions have consequences leading them into poverty, while others are driven to poverty due to factors more or less out of their control... The message was pretty clear to me.


What do you mean I can't support my family of five on minimum wage?

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PrinceJudar wrote:
Honestly, I don't live in an urban area so I normally don't ever see this sort of thing. That being said, I don't think I could aimlessly walk by people that need help . Maybe because I'm unused to seeing it. I'm not sure. It be worse if it involved a kid though, I'd probably fork over my whole wallet's worth.

I'm not sure, but maybe people get used to seeing stuff like this. I've always believed in helping those within my reach so, that's just that. Maybe that's all this world really needs more of.


You do get used to seeing it. When I first moved to Chicago it was shocking to see so many homeless people. It made me uncomfortable and was a serious culture shock. A few times I had people stop me on the street and try to hustle, I must have looked like an easy target (young white kid who had never lived in a city). After a year I was much colder, and it stopped bothering me so much. You can get used to anything, for better or worse.

It's a nice sentiment to help whoever you can, but when you walk by dozens of homeless people every day you start to realize you can't stop to help each individual.
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I take no issue with the sign the guy was wearing and I grew up with the shittiest of conditions. Things like that only spurred me to pursue a better future for myself, of which I attained with a lot of hard work.

I don't think it's wrong in any way to not care about a poor or homeless person. Having now lived on both sides of the fence I can understand each perspective on the matter. While not every poor or homeless person is in their situation because of their actions/decisions in life, the majority of them are. I have spent a lot of time both living in and observing this type of life/environment.

Now, I'm not a compassionate person and about as desensitized as it gets, but I do understand the once you are in these types of situations it is extremely hard to get out. At a younger age it is much easier to avoid these issues, though still difficult. A child growing up with these conditions has a better chance to get out and succeed. An adult with no education and their age is a huge setback for them. Either way, in most cases there are plenty of ways to get out of these situations, but often times I find that many do not want to take advantage of them. For various reasons I'm sure. I see homeless and poor people every single day on my way to work. I've never given money to any of them. If you want to help them out, give them some real advice and tips on resources that can actually get them on their feet. Money is nothing more than a catalyst for their hobby or a bandaid in the long run.

If you want to avoid being homeless (at least for a long period of time) or being poor, do well in your younger years. Get an education. You don't need money for that. Life can throw some shit at you that is out of your control, but there's no excuse for not getting out of it on your own. In most cases at least. There are no guarantees in life, but an education will greatly deter most problems or at least limit their impact.

I say all of this as my own opinion formed from long-standing personal experience.
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