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57.5 million babies murdered and the worlds population is still going out of control, not enough obvs.


People would throw a fit but if couples worldwide were limited to 1 baby, well... population would look a hell of a lot better. I'd love to see that happen personally. The planet's already showing signs of over use. Our planet has a disease. It's called humanity.


How exactly do we enforce that?
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A huge chunk of those 50 million would've been mistreated and probably sent to orphanages. Most women who go through with it are usually not emotionally, financially, or mentally prepared for a child or are incapable of a successful birth.


I've never seen it put better than that. You're absolutely right, also that sounds exactly like something Hikigaya Hachiman would actually say.
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I fail to see how religious morals are inferior to non religious morals.


I seriously hope you don't take your morals from the Bible.
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It's kind of sad, pro-lifers want these children born but don't seem to care what happens after they are born. Pro-life congress critters and presidential candidates seem to be against requiring companies to offer paid leave for new parents. They don't want sex-ed taught and they
don't want to have insurance cover birth control. At least in the U.S.
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sundin13 wrote:


Fuddbender wrote:


haikinka wrote:

57.5 million babies murdered and the worlds population is still going out of control, not enough obvs.


People would throw a fit but if couples worldwide were limited to 1 baby, well... population would look a hell of a lot better. I'd love to see that happen personally. The planet's already showing signs of over use. Our planet has a disease. It's called humanity.


How exactly do we enforce that?


China's government has been doing it for a while now but they've been more lax on it recently. Basically if you have another child you are required to have an abortion. If you don't you either pay fines or jail time.
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MonologueWolf wrote:

A huge chunk of those 50 million would've been mistreated and probably sent to orphanages. Most women who go through with it are usually not emotionally, financially, or mentally prepared for a child or are incapable of a successful birth.


This right here is the right explanation

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If abortions have saved 57.5 milion potential children from living in terrible conditions, I don't see anything wrong with this. I would not want to see children live in a really poor family, which can't afford to feed the children or have parents that don't even want children. Not to mention any possible situations, which would put mother's live at risk.
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I think tax incentives for one child or less would be good. Make taxes prohibitively expensive on large families.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


sundin13 wrote:
How exactly do we enforce that?


China's government has been doing it for a while now but they've been more lax on it recently. Basically if you have another child you are required to have an abortion. If you don't you either pay fines or jail time.


....thats pretty fucked up. I don't think the suggestion to follow China's lead is really a good idea.
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I wish more people could more more open minded and not refer to their textbook that tells them how to live their life and what morals to have or their non existent deity.
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It's kind of sad, pro-lifers want these children born but don't seem to care what happens after they are born. Pro-life congress critters and presidential candidates seem to be against requiring companies to offer paid leave for new parents. They don't want sex-ed taught and they
don't want to have insurance cover birth control.


That's not true for all pro life stance.

It's a mouthful so I'll copy-paste from what I said on a previous thread about this.


There's a lot of issues with adoptive services, specifically how expensive it can be and the amount of paperwork and waiting it involves. Some have to wait years. I was really happy on the gay marriage ruling for more than one reason, and we need to keep knocking down the shit load of barriers that the process includes. There's a lot of gofundme's just to pull together the money adopting can take. I've funded a few here and there (even some gay couples), I don't really have a steady job yet enough to throw wads of money and I have certain idiot I need to take care of and fuss about right now.

I'm pro life because I'm against half assing things. I respect the whole pro choice opinion and all, but I honestly feel it's a completely pessimistic view often where human life is 'better off dead than living because we can't support it'. Well shit, I'd rather we try to. Not only that, but also support women going through pregnancy that need help. Pro life shouldn't just be about 'have that baby idc about the rest!' as some have made it out to be. There's plenty of families looking to adopt, and who knows, maybe I'll end up adopting a couple at some point in my life instead of just funding it. Hard to say at this time, it's not a 'willy nilly' decision either and depends on circumstance.

I also believe that having sex, contraceptives or not, is accepting the responsibility of an unwanted pregnancy. It grinds my gears when people treat it as 'oh it's like <1%, I'll get an abortion if that happens'. A lack of responsibility is how I read that. It's different in rape cases, in cases where the Mother's health is at risk, or other extreme circumstances. I'm of the opinion that human life should be supported as much as we are able to do so.

There's two sides to this, and it's not all about religion or 'gross you must hate women because you give no choice! It's not fair because men don't have deal with it'. Just because they don't have a womb, in my humble opinion, doesn't mean you're excused from acknowledging yours and it's responsibilities.

Probably a huge misconception about the pro life stance is it 'being just about birth and not the before and after components of it'. It certainly can be. Another misconception of the pro life stance is it just being about the 'definition of murder' or the debacle of 'personhood' and 'being'. This is true for some pro life position holders. However, "How can you be pro life if you allow exceptions?" is the common question. There are factors on this position, and especially this issue in particular, that shape which stance we end up. There are different ways to be pro life and different ways to be pro choice even (Not every pro choicer is saying 'go have sex and get abortions as contraception!' Some do, but certainly not most.), and it's good for people to understand different facets.

I understand the position of the pro choice and their common arguments, but there is a significant misunderstanding, or willingness to understand the position of pro life. I don't blame them considering some of the negative media attention on a certain type of pro lifers though (the kind that stand outside of abortion clinics or use fake fetus images lol).

Maybe he should have a choice of doing that? Disabilities do not ever mean the inability to have a happy life. People just don't want to deal with them. I've worked with kids with special needs, they're fucking happy kids. It's just an excuse not to try.

Naive maybe, but I'd rather be naive in this instance. I'm all for better education on contraceptives, but that also means people understanding they're not 100%.
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 10/27/15

sundin13 wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:


sundin13 wrote:
How exactly do we enforce that?


China's government has been doing it for a while now but they've been more lax on it recently. Basically if you have another child you are required to have an abortion. If you don't you either pay fines or jail time.


....thats pretty fucked up. I don't think the suggestion to follow China's lead is really a good idea.


China's policy saved them from choking in there own filth. If China did not act it would look like India. India is what happens when you don't control population growth and it isn't pretty.
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 10/27/15

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sundin13 wrote:

....thats pretty fucked up. I don't think the suggestion to follow China's lead is really a good idea.


China's policy saved them from choking in there own filth. If China did not act it would look like India. India is what happens when you don't control population growth and it isn't pretty.


A necessary evil is still evil, and there is no reason for such measures to be necessary in the US...
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