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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/18/15
Looking at this thread down below:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-914941/575-million-babies-in-the-us-have-been-murdered the creator mentions murder and abortion, whats your opinion? does abortion (Early stages) count as murder in your eyes or is it in your eyes allowed (in certain circumstances i'm guessing)
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 11/5/15
Nope
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No
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If stabbing a baby to death is murder than abortion is.
Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/17/15
It does not.
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Murder has a very specific legal meaning. We have standards that need to be met. Using the term in colloquial manner while trying to impose legal punishment doesn't work. It's either using all legal definitions or using all the terms colloquially.

That being said, I do not personally think abortion is murder.
1. An early fetus has not yet attained personhood. Killing something without personhood is not murder.
2. The mother's needs are more immediate than the needs of a fetus.
3. Although a fetus has intrinsic value, the worth of the fetus and the mother are not equal.
4. Not all killings are unjustifiable or inexcusable. And, often, in abortion, it's not actual killing but "letting die."
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/18/15

wingopanda wrote:

If stabbing a baby to death is murder than abortion is.


Fetus********

Also, that vacuum method of removing the fetus has been ilegalized...
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Nope simple procedure and neither is morning after pill
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It's whatever the woman feels is right. They carry the child, they decide what to do.
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No, but this is an obvious opinion based individual answer you're gonna get and others are gonna stand strong in their stance, of which side they choose.

It makes me think that those that think IT IS murder, would then think that a woman who decides to carry a baby to term and drinks, smokes, shoots drugs, abuses drugs, would then be committing attempted murder?
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No. A fetus isn't yet conscious. It has no way of knowing what's going to happen to it, so it isn't inconvenienced if it's aborted. It's the same as ending life support for someone whose brain no longer functions. Life in and of itself isn't worth much, if you ask me: sentience is what matters. The only value a fetus has is its worth in the eyes of those who know of it.

While I admit that the pro-life movement in and of itself grants a fetus value (since if it's aborted, those who are pro-life would be inconvenienced), the movement's relevance to the decision is incomparable to that of those directly affected - the parents. Those choosing whether or not to abort have to consider condescension and possible alienation as a consequence on one side, and in that way, a degree of pressure appropriate to the collective relevance of the pro-life movement in the decision is, in fact, exerted - but if someone wants to abort despite that, that's their prerogative.

I applaud pro-life advocates for making their voices heard on an issue that matters to them, and by no means think they should grin and bear it when something that they consider immoral is happening, but I myself don't attribute intrinsic value to something that isn't self-aware, so I firmly believe that the choice should be up to the mother first and foremost. Other people are free to try and change her mind - that's how society works - but anything that can't be resolved through calm discussion is best left unsaid. She's the affected party here, and coercion is definitely not cool.

Basically, where we're at is very close to where we should be, with abortion being very much on the table, but those who disapprove speaking out against it. That's ethics at work, and that sort of ongoing contention ensures that the issue as a whole is never taken for granted. As long as it stays peaceful, it can only be a good thing.
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/17/15
It is not murder

I am pro-choice. The woman decides to do with the child what she want since she is the one who will have to carry it for 9 months. No one should dictate what she decides to do with her own body.
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Think of it like this, every time I ejaculate inside a woman- I release more then a Million sperms that are trying to cling to an egg.

Those that doesn't survive dies- take that into account if I masturbated, I would be killing them without even giving them an option to live.
But then why do we males have a wet dreams? That would mean every man would be murderers.

That sounds pretty far fetched isn't it?
Posted 8/16/15

Morbidhanson wrote:

Murder has a very specific legal meaning. We have standards that need to be met. Using the term in colloquial manner while trying to impose legal punishment doesn't work. It's either using all legal definitions or using all the terms colloquially.

That being said, I do not personally think abortion is murder.
1. An early fetus has not yet attained personhood. Killing something without personhood is not murder.
2. The mother's needs are more immediate than the needs of a fetus.
3. Although a fetus has intrinsic value, the worth of the fetus and the mother are not equal.
4. Not all killings are unjustifiable or inexcusable. And, often, in abortion, it's not actual killing but "letting die."


IOW, The difference between homicide and murder is, not all homicides are murder, but all murders are homicides. For instance, self-defence is lawful homicide, not murder. As may be abortion done in accordance with the law. Lol ^^
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/17/15
A dicey question. On the one hand, a woman electing for an abortion procedure prior to the point of viability wouldn't be murder. Someone slipping her a drug which would terminate her pregnancy without either her knowledge or consent would be in the ballpark. It depends on how and when things are done.
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