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Different name, same result.
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Nah.
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pretty much. you go from a living human to a dead one.
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Menthuthuyoupi wrote:

pretty much. you go from a living human to a dead one.


Finally, someone who actually knows what life is.
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Nope, and talking about it as a male is sheer hypocrisy since they're never going to have one..
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If ending a life or electing not to save one is always murder, then killing animals, executing criminals, and eating salad are crimes. Not giving to charity would be a crime. Not donating your organs would be a crime. Even getting into a traffic accident in which the other guy dies would be a crime. Self-defense killing would be a crime. Joining the army and going out to the battlefield would be a crime.

Please. It's a gross oversimplification that causing something living to die is murder. No offense, you are free to have an opinion, but some structure and a semblance of a logical skeleton in it would be nice.


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Morbidhanson wrote:

Murder has a very specific legal meaning. We have standards that need to be met. Using the term in colloquial manner while trying to impose legal punishment doesn't work. It's either using all legal definitions or using all the terms colloquially.

That being said, I do not personally think abortion is murder.
1. An early fetus has not yet attained personhood. Killing something without personhood is not murder.
2. The mother's needs are more immediate than the needs of a fetus.
3. Although a fetus has intrinsic value, the worth of the fetus and the mother are not equal.
4. Not all killings are unjustifiable or inexcusable. And, often, in abortion, it's not actual killing but "letting die."


IOW, The difference between homicide and murder is, not all homicides are murder, but all murders are homicides. For instance, self-defence is lawful homicide, not murder. As may be abortion done in accordance with the law. Lol ^^


I prefer "justifiable killing" but that's probably just me. You've got the gist of it.
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Morbidhanson wrote:

If ending a life or electing not to save one is always murder, then killing animals, executing criminals, and eating salad are crimes. Not giving to charity would be a crime. Not donating your organs would be a crime. Even getting into a traffic accident in which the other guy dies would be a crime. Self-defense killing would be a crime. Joining the army and going out to the battlefield would be a crime.

Please. It's a gross oversimplification that causing something living to die is murder. No offense, you are free to have an opinion, but some structure and a semblance of a logical skeleton in it would be nice.


salad =/= human
Posted 8/16/15
No.

Actually said so on page 1. :P

This should have been a Poll, it would have been more interesting.

And so it shall! :lol:
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wingopanda wrote:

salad =/= human


Plants are living things. I hear this stuff about "life" but no substantial explanation. What, exactly, is the difference between killing an intelligent nonhuman animal and killing a human?

Also, would that mean it is more wrong to actively kill one person than to passively allow several people to die? Or more wrong to kill one human than to kill a herd of animals? I think the wrongfulness of an act or of an omission really depends upon the circumstance. To simplify these things into black and white are, to me, unfair and unduly harsh. This includes things involving abortion.

Being irresponsible sexually and repeatedly getting abortions without a second thought would be wrong to me. Aborting a healthy fetus that is 7 months old for small reasons would be wrong to me.
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Nope.
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Nopity nope.

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Yes it is.
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