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Abe: Japan Will Apologize No More
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Posted 8/16/15
He's absolutely right. Those who had nothing to do with the war themselves should not by any means be expected to apologize for it. Such a proxy-apology is worthless in the first place, and I don't believe in anything so asinine as a national responsibility. If you personally have wronged someone, you ought to apologize. If the people running the country you happen to live in have wronged someone, unless you willingly helped them do it, it has nothing to do with you. Agency is a purely individual thing.
Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/16/15
Why were they apologizing? They shouldn't be.

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Yeh and they should let the Nazis come back to power in Germany I mean it has been nearly 71 years
Posted 8/16/15

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Yeh and they should let the Nazis come back to power in Germany I mean it has been nearly 71 years


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On behalf of the entire United States of America, I would like to apologize for the first (ever) legal systematic destruction of an entire race of people (american indian)........... Wait why am I apologizing, I wasn't there.... Feel guilty? Fuck no why would I feel guilty for somethen I didn't do... no? doesn't work? They are our most committed Ally in Asia besides S.Korea, if you werent there then let's let it be...

Edit: And i'm proud of Shinzo Abe it's about time they got someone in power with the balls to tell China "we're here to baby!"
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I wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with this if they taught WW2 properly in Japan.

"Essentially, Japan teaches WWII as "we lost" and "a dark part of our history", but with an emphasis on its negative effects on their own country rather than the wrongs done to other countries. It serves the purpose of teaching war as a mistake that should not be repeated, but fails to instill a solid sense of responsibility for their actions. Thus why Japan continues to have problems with war memory and tension with its East Asian neighbors, while Germany has successfully reintegrated with Europe."

There within lies the problem. If Japan wants to apologize, then teach the history accordingly. When I was in school at Germany, they taught WW2 history in scary detail. They did it better than the USA ever did with theirs (I only had the names of the planes that dropped the atomic bombs and the bombs themselves, never once did they admit that was genocide in its own right). I learned of many things about WW2 that are not even commonly taught in the USA about the Nazis.

Japan wants to stop apologizing, great. Teach history correctly though. Don't share the blame. The Rape of Nanking was bad. Your atrocities were bad too. Cover them. Don't say "all sides share blame." You fucked up. Germany fucked up. The USA fucked up. It was a cluster fuck.
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/16/15
Abe has a point. Making modern day Japan apologize for stuff their great grandparents did doesn't make much sense. It's like having modern day Americans apologize for bringing disease and killing most of the Native Americans 500 years ago. The current generation has nothing to do with the actions of the past generations. There's no need to apologize.

Now if we had a guy who was actually a Japanese soldier in WWII and he ordered the rape of innocent women but refuses to apologize to this very day, that's a different story.

It reminds me of a story a read a while ago about a living member of the SS apologizing in court for what he did at Auschwitz. One of the survivors who was at his trial actually hugged him and forgave him.
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Posted 8/16/15 , edited 8/16/15
Cool. I agree with the above that Japan should teach the history of the war properly, but aside from that I'm fine with it. Just in general, I'm tired of people apologizing and people expecting people to apologize for things that they never did.

I've gotten extremely tired of all this guilt by association crap. If you're white, you have to apologize for slavery. If you're German, you have to apologize for the Nazis. If you're Japanese, you have to apologize for the atrocities that took place in WW2. It's beyond stupid to expect people to apologize for things they didn't do. In my opinion, if you didn't take part in any of these things, you have no reason to apologize.

I don't know how I feel about Abe overall as a politician, but I'm 100% behind him on this one.
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he and all of japan have nothing to apologize for. everyone has blood on their hands from ww2.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

I wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with this if they taught WW2 properly in Japan.




I think that's the biggest complaint most people have over the whole issue.
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IamHuntskie wrote:

he and all of japan have nothing to apologize for. everyone has blood on their hands from ww2.


No one born after WW2 has blood on their hands from it. Guilt by association is a horrible thing to adopt.
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As an historian I have to say that the countries that made up the AXIS powers have made more than enough apologies over the last 75 years for the mistakes and sinister ambitions of a few megalomaniacs and uber nationalists. If the world continues to force Germany and Japan to apologize annually it could eventually lead to the same national bitterness that lead to WWII with countries demanding reparations for war damages after WWI. In some ways Korea and China have never forgiven Japan for its imperialistic ambitions and granted that Japan treated the Chinese and Korean people horrifically during the war, but it is time cease dwelling on this. It is more than time for the rest of the world (especially China) to move forward and accept that Japan has acknowledged its culpability in the events of WWII and that as a country and a people they have determined that Japan will never again tread the path of war as an acceptable instrument of national policy.


many in China and Korea do not forgive Japan because of the massacre and "comfort women" (many young kids in China and Korea were forced to serve the Japanese military as "comfort girls"). many of those who cant forgive Japan were victims themselves, or children of the victims. saying that it was just "imperialistic ambition" is sugar coating it, and frankly disrespectful to those who suffered because of WW2 Japan.

it's claimed that they have "acknowledged its culpability", which may be true to some extent, though they still refuse to accept that
there were "comfort women", and many Japanese nationals openly criticized the statues made in honor of the victims

And while Japanese citizens may be against participating in war, their prime minister seems to think otherwise. Abe wants to militarize Japan.
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uncletim wrote:

Yeh and they should let the Nazis come back to power in Germany I mean it has been nearly 71 years


It's about to happen in Greece.
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Bavalt wrote:

He's absolutely right. Those who had nothing to do with the war themselves should not by any means be expected to apologize for it. Such a proxy-apology is worthless in the first place, and I don't believe in anything so asinine as a national responsibility. If you personally have wronged someone, you ought to apologize. If the people running the country you happen to live in have wronged someone, unless you willingly helped them do it, it has nothing to do with you. Agency is a purely individual thing.


This bothers me because this is the same guy who is revising the constitution to reinstate Japan's ability to have active military. Don't get me wrong, the villainizing of Japan is a political stunt used by countries (China) as a mere distraction, however, there are forces in Japan that are actively white washing Japan's war time aggression and I believe this is apart of their goals.

The old adage of "those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it" applies to this situation, especially with Japan's push for an active military, Something that was taken away from them because of their war crimes.

As useless as you may see it, all this does is toss more gasoline onto the fire that is stirring in East Asia between China and Japan

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Posted 8/16/15
This doesn't have as much to do with WW2 as it does the 50 years of imperial Japanese aggression that ended in WW2.

I don't think they have to apologize for trying to keep up with the European powers of the time who all had colonial empires.
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