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Should birth right citizenship be banned in america?


I believe that gets into 14th Amendment territory.

Let's stand the argument on its head for a moment - why should I need to prove my citizenship when I was born and raised here?

Let's also remember that we have deported legal, documented citizens because a particular group claimed they were taking jobs away from 'Good American Men' (read: WASP). We've also illegally detained over 100,000 American citizens simply because their homeland went to war with us. Oddly, we didn't do that for the other countries that we were also at war with.

If you want to fix/reduce illegal immigration, then start by helping the countries these people immigrate from become places where they offer all citizens opportunity to advance, and not be tied to a cycle of poverty and despair. Help reduce the crime rate and increase the overall wealth of the citizens.

The current immigration tirades are based on fear, and not really on addressing the underlying issues.
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The US should adopt Japans immigration policy.
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MeanderCat wrote:

I believe that gets into 14th Amendment territory.

Let's stand the argument on its head for a moment - why should I need to prove my citizenship when I was born and raised here?

Let's also remember that we have deported legal, documented citizens because a particular group claimed they were taking jobs away from 'Good American Men' (read: WASP). We've also illegally detained over 100,000 American citizens simply because their homeland went to war with us. Oddly, we didn't do that for the other countries that we were also at war with.

If you want to fix/reduce illegal immigration, then start by helping the countries these people immigrate from become places where they offer all citizens opportunity to advance, and not be tied to a cycle of poverty and despair. Help reduce the crime rate and increase the overall wealth of the citizens.

The current immigration tirades are based on fear, and not really on addressing the underlying issues.


This is so true, one of the major reasons Mexico is so high of an immigration besides it being on the border is because of how screwed up it has become to live there with the drug cartels controlling and making people fear for their lives. I've heard that a lot of legal immigrants from Mexico are unable to go back because of all the cartel stuff, just to visit family.
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Haruna-kai wrote:

The problem with that is they dont speak english 9/10 times therefore companies have to pay or a person has to pay out of pocket to get trained to learn that language so they can fully understand whats going on in a work place.

We need to do what other countries do, from the little i've looked into Japan and Australia for becoming a citizen they seem to have the right idea about how you become a citizen vs our own country which is just meh sure come right in.


Don't know why we don't just make them a legal resident and provide required remedial English classes in the case of parents. It's not hard.

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Haruna-kai wrote:


MeanderCat wrote:

I believe that gets into 14th Amendment territory.

Let's stand the argument on its head for a moment - why should I need to prove my citizenship when I was born and raised here?

Let's also remember that we have deported legal, documented citizens because a particular group claimed they were taking jobs away from 'Good American Men' (read: WASP). We've also illegally detained over 100,000 American citizens simply because their homeland went to war with us. Oddly, we didn't do that for the other countries that we were also at war with.

If you want to fix/reduce illegal immigration, then start by helping the countries these people immigrate from become places where they offer all citizens opportunity to advance, and not be tied to a cycle of poverty and despair. Help reduce the crime rate and increase the overall wealth of the citizens.

The current immigration tirades are based on fear, and not really on addressing the underlying issues.


This is so true, one of the major reasons Mexico is so high of an immigration besides it being on the border is because of how screwed up it has become to live there with the drug cartels controlling and making people fear for their lives. I've heard that a lot of legal immigrants from Mexico are unable to go back because of all the cartel stuff, just to visit family.


Not just Mexico, all of central america is plagued with inadequate living standards and heavy extortion from far too gangs.
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PrinceJudar wrote:

Don't know why we don't just make them a legal resident and provide required remedial English classes in the case of parents. It's not hard.



Idk really, I'm sure it's more about money than anything, that and/or politics.


MonologueWolf wrote:

Not just Mexico, all of central america is plagued with inadequate living standards and heavy extortion from far too gangs.


Yeah South America in certain parts aren't much better from what i've heard as well.
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I dunno, I never understood the "bore in America, you're American." It intuitively feels wrong.

But strictly speaking, if you're born in one nation, why in the world wouldn't you be a citizen of that nation lol? What then construes citizenship? Inheriting it from your parents? So citizenship becomes genetic? THen how did they become citizens? Citizenship is about the physical land, and most laws are restricted by land. So, it just makes sense that since laws govern the land, then if you're born in the US, you should be a citizen
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thank you everyone for your response.

I personally don't believe the 14th amendment should be messed with.

to address this issue the government needs to make a constitution amendment that address illegal and legal immigration and citizenship. that would be a wise thing to do.
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This is a terrible idea. Taking away the 14th amendment just because some people are scared of Mexicans sounds like something Donald Trump would say. Oh wait...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/politics/donald-trump-birthright-american-citizenship/index.html
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is it hard to even become an American citizen since its a multicultural country i think?
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There will never be a concrete solution to illegal immigration as long as rich people keeping making because of it.
I know hardcore conservatives that hire undocumented workers becuase they are cheaper than US citizens. The undocumented didn't take your job it was your greedy boss that gave it to them.
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Ryulightorb wrote:

is it hard to even become an American citizen since its a multicultural country i think?


You'd be surprised how long the process to become a citizen is, even if you came here legally. Unless you were born here, becoming a citizen is pretty difficult.
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PhantomGundam wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

is it hard to even become an American citizen since its a multicultural country i think?


You'd be surprised how long the process to become a citizen is, even if you came here legally. Unless you were born here, becoming a citizen is pretty difficult.


It should be difficult.
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biscuitnote wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:

is it hard to even become an American citizen since its a multicultural country i think?


You'd be surprised how long the process to become a citizen is, even if you came here legally. Unless you were born here, becoming a citizen is pretty difficult.


It should be difficult.


People shouldn't have to wait 10+ years to become a citizen of the country they've been living in.
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Of course it should. Illegal immigrants are ruining America.
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