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Gameplay, features, story, graphics, sound, the standard IGN review categories. That's what a review should focus on. Other things can be mentioned, but some small detail AND NOTHING ELSE is stupid.

That's not "regressive" , that's common sense.


Firstly the article in question was not a review.

Secondly that's a fine way to review games for you but claiming that talking about that AND NOTHING ELSE in a review is regressive. I think saying that reviews should only follow the IGN review categories and not talk about other stuff is really stupid cause for other people there are other factors that make them want to play a game.

I played MGS 2 cause SuperBunnyHop read it to be about the nature of games and how we play them

I played Hotline Miami cause Errant Signal read it to be an argument against story in games.

I didnt play Bayonetta cause someone gave it an review I played it cause of Maddy Myers reading of it as pro feminist which I find interesting so I played it to form my own opinions.

Saying that all YOU care about in a game is the Standard IGN review Categories is incredibly selfish. If you wanted a review that doesn't include other details you can find it. But slagging on any review that steps outside of the norm and mentions other features as being against "Common Sense" is regressive.
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You do realize he clearly states that in the video? He read, but it is also possible, and *GASP* *Tumblr SJW worldview breaking* happens, that men are under- or misrepresented in something.

But that's not the point here. The point is that it's ridiculous to make that the only thing to talk about when discussing a game.

We can go on about this all night, and everyone here (except you) is still going to think that.


I wasnt talking about the guy in the video I was talking about DaBossman.
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"Creating false ideas of Sexism and Racism" Wow son thanks for telling me you havent read the article or seen a picture of the hand. If you actually did you would realize that the hand


Sexism was never part of the article. Heres a deal you can tell me about how journalist blow things out of proportion when you tell me that not reading an article and saying that it "creates false Ideas about Sexism" when it doesnt mention sexism at all isnt blowing something out of proportion.


SPOILER ALERT!


Gilbert literally said AND I QUOTE,

bearing little similarity in looks to my own – acting as a stand-in for my actual hand. Yes, I’m a white guy, but my fingers are far from long and slender (sadly).
What if I were, say, a 10-year-old black girl? Or a 30-year-old Japanese man? Or literally anything other than an adult white woman (which the hand appears to belong to)?
Given the mainstream appeal of the mustachioed hero and his ongoing battle against Bowser, you’d think Nintendo – a company that’s repeatedly shown willingness to be inclusive – would have thought of this.


The guy is literally trying to create an issue where there isn't one.

Question to you: Would you honestly question the color of a hand of an in-game if it wasn't mentioned? And are you seriously offended that the hand was female?

He says that he thought Nintendo would be "inclusive" suggesting that Nintendo is racist and sexist... So you're trying to argue that he isn't trying to create false ideas of sexism and racism? Give me a break!

Your profile picture is yellow. That's the stereotypical color for asians! Why doesn't it have every color included to be inclusive to all colors of all races? Yellow doesn't represent any LGBT+ group, why not make it a rainbow? You sir are racist and homophobic! That's what the article is trying to do!


Okay so you know its female and you know the article doesnt mention sexism. But you claim it creates a Creating a false idea of sexism. I still dont get why your not the one blowing things out of proportion here.

Secondly the article never said it was racist he merely said he found it weird, assumed it would be weirder for people of different races and found it strange nintendo wouldnt have put in hands of different races(which it turned out they did). Its less "YOUR AVATAR IS RACIST" and more "your avatar is kinda strange looking cause its a mario image thats been messed around with". The article was just a guy saying "Hey I found this strange" and people are still talking about it a month later.
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Okay so you know its female and you know the article doesnt mention sexism. But you claim it creates a Creating a false idea of sexism. I still dont get why your not the one blowing things out of proportion here.


Did you not see the part where I said that it implies that there is sexism and racism on Nintendo's part? As to blowing this out of proportion, if no one talks about how it's wrong to try and bring up social issues in a place where there isn't a problem, the problem will continue. By showing a backlash with the article, it warns journalists not to try and make a problem out of nothing. Of course, this will still continue, but by not reacting in a negative way, it shows journalists that they can say anything is racist/sexist/homophobic and get away with it.

Also, I was referring to your avatar, not mine... I merely used microsoft paint and edited the picture.
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If this guy is going to call himself a gaming journalist then the focus should be on the features of the game instead what we got from the article which luckily has been revised twice since the last time I check "still a terrible article" no details of gameplay or features except now we know we could change the hand yay

As for Forbes I rather like Dave Thier articles he actually says what a game has or doesn't have.



Last time I checked the hand was a feature.

Secondly believing gaming articles and journalists should only talk about gameplay and features is really regressive for gaming.


For Nintendo to fly him out there and show him a preview demo of the game at the time since it was not released yet and for him to only care about the hand was just plain sad. If he had any readers that considered him a professional gaming journalist when they read that article and the only thing he mentions is the hand color must have been extremely disappointing to them. What readers of gaming news want is what can you do, how complex can you make the levels instead of what they got was you can't change your hand color and Nintendo needs to be all inclusive. This was just a bad article and the people have a right to call him out on it.
Posted 8/20/15

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The irony of the Anti-SJW crowd is that the people who claim everybody is overreacting are the ones who overreact so much themselves.


Pretty much.
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Okay so you know its female and you know the article doesnt mention sexism. But you claim it creates a Creating a false idea of sexism. I still dont get why your not the one blowing things out of proportion here.


Did you not see the part where I said that it implies that there is sexism and racism on Nintendo's part? As to blowing this out of proportion, if no one talks about how it's wrong to try and bring up social issues in a place where there isn't a problem, the problem will continue. By showing a backlash with the article, it warns journalists not to try and make a problem out of nothing. Of course, this will still continue, but by not reacting in a negative way, it shows journalists that they can say anything is racist/sexist/homophobic and get away with it.



It doesnt IMPLY sexism and racism it points out that its weird they dont have hands for different races. Once again I find it funny that people who think this article is overreacting are overreacting so much to it and claiming hes blowing it out of proportion when they themselves are blowing what he said out of proportion.
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megahobbit wrote:


J-POP187 wrote:

If this guy is going to call himself a gaming journalist then the focus should be on the features of the game instead what we got from the article which luckily has been revised twice since the last time I check "still a terrible article" no details of gameplay or features except now we know we could change the hand yay

As for Forbes I rather like Dave Thier articles he actually says what a game has or doesn't have.



Last time I checked the hand was a feature.

Secondly believing gaming articles and journalists should only talk about gameplay and features is really regressive for gaming.


For Nintendo to fly him out there and show him a preview demo of the game at the time since it was not released yet and for him to only care about the hand was just plain sad. If he had any readers that considered him a professional gaming journalist when they read that article and the only thing he mentions is the hand color must have been extremely disappointing to them. What readers of gaming news want is what can you do, how complex can you make the levels instead of what they got was you can't change your hand color and Nintendo needs to be all inclusive. This was just a bad article and the people have a right to call him out on it.


Once again these press events are not exclusive things. Many other journalists wrote about the game and its features. For him to write about something else is fine. Readers can find that info somewhere else its readily available.

Secondly Im sure all the gaming readers are just devastated that Forbes magazine (the number one magazine for gaming) did not deliver on the details. Forbes magazine as we know is the main source of gaming news.
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Posted 8/20/15 , edited 8/20/15

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megahobbit wrote:

Okay so you know its female and you know the article doesnt mention sexism. But you claim it creates a Creating a false idea of sexism. I still dont get why your not the one blowing things out of proportion here.


Did you not see the part where I said that it implies that there is sexism and racism on Nintendo's part? As to blowing this out of proportion, if no one talks about how it's wrong to try and bring up social issues in a place where there isn't a problem, the problem will continue. By showing a backlash with the article, it warns journalists not to try and make a problem out of nothing. Of course, this will still continue, but by not reacting in a negative way, it shows journalists that they can say anything is racist/sexist/homophobic and get away with it.



It doesnt IMPLY sexism and racism it points out that its weird they dont have hands for different races. Once again I find it funny that people who think this article is overreacting are overreacting so much to it and claiming hes blowing it out of proportion when they themselves are blowing what he said out of proportion.


>has whole article on hyped game
>doesn't talk about any features for gameplay
>writes whole article on hand
>says he's disappointed because he thought that Nintendo is "inclusive" when it comes to their games
>states that "he doesn't have slender fingers like a woman" so it's obviously a problem

And when people call him out, they're in the wrong.
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WoW the Ant-social Justice Warriors have found something new to squawk about. Oh wait.
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megahobbit wrote:


eragon2890 wrote:

Gameplay, features, story, graphics, sound, the standard IGN review categories. That's what a review should focus on. Other things can be mentioned, but some small detail AND NOTHING ELSE is stupid.

That's not "regressive" , that's common sense.


Firstly the article in question was not a review.

Secondly that's a fine way to review games for you but claiming that talking about that AND NOTHING ELSE in a review is regressive. I think saying that reviews should only follow the IGN review categories and not talk about other stuff is really stupid cause for other people there are other factors that make them want to play a game.

I played MGS 2 cause SuperBunnyHop read it to be about the nature of games and how we play them

I played Hotline Miami cause Errant Signal read it to be an argument against story in games.

I didnt play Bayonetta cause someone gave it an review I played it cause of Maddy Myers reading of it as pro feminist which I find interesting so I played it to form my own opinions.

Saying that all YOU care about in a game is the Standard IGN review Categories is incredibly selfish. If you wanted a review that doesn't include other details you can find it. But slagging on any review that steps outside of the norm and mentions other features as being against "Common Sense" is regressive.


That is not what I meant at all dude, I literally said that "Other things can be mentioned, but some small detail AND NOTHING ELSE is stupid.".

It's fine if it includes other details. In fact it's good. If the article would talk about the game but mention this in passing-by, I would applaud it. But, writing a whole article about this and nothing else is what is stupid.

It's like you read a review of a triple-a game on a site like IGN or gamespot and it only writes, for the whole review, about the fact that the characters eyes are green. And absolutely nothing else.

Or are you trying to say that you would think that would be normal, and that anyone who would think that is strange (that's all anyone has said, no-one said he shouldn't be free to write it) is being 'regressive'?

That's literally what happened in this article...
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megahobbit wrote:

Secondly that's a fine way to review games for you but claiming that talking about that AND NOTHING ELSE in a review is regressive. I think saying that reviews should only follow the IGN review categories and not talk about other stuff is really stupid cause for other people there are other factors that make them want to play a game.

I played MGS 2 cause SuperBunnyHop read it to be about the nature of games and how we play them

I played Hotline Miami cause Errant Signal read it to be an argument against story in games.

I didnt play Bayonetta cause someone gave it an review I played it cause of Maddy Myers reading of it as pro feminist which I find interesting so I played it to form my own opinions.

Saying that all YOU care about in a game is the Standard IGN review Categories is incredibly selfish. If you wanted a review that doesn't include other details you can find it. But slagging on any review that steps outside of the norm and mentions other features as being against "Common Sense" is regressive.


There are certain expectations of a review and that is largely a good thing. A review which talks about an abstract interpretation of a game's narrative and doesn't mention gameplay is a bad review, because it does not give the reader a good sense of the game. Further, in a gaming landscape with such a heavy reliance on review aggregates such as Metacritic, a review which solely focuses on a nitpick to give out a score that is an outlier can have negative consequences to both the consumer and the developer.

Yes, it is important for people to discuss games outside of the standard framework, however, it is also important to give fair and comprehensive reviews which strive for objectiveness.

Also, I think a line needs to be drawn between commentary and reviews. In my opinion, the highly subjective and often abstract has little place in a review besides a footnote, but this discussion is both interesting and important as commentary surrounding the game. Creating a distinction between this commentary (which is explicitly subjective) and review (which is implicitly objective) is extremely important when presenting this information to a consumer.
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>has whole article on hyped game
>doesn't talk about any features for gameplay
>writes whole article on hand
>says he's disappointed because he thought that Nintendo is "inclusive" when it comes to their games
>states that "he doesn't have slender fingers like a woman" so it's obviously a problem

And when people call him out, they're in the wrong.


Dude you literally said the same argument In greentext that doesn't change anything
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Posted 8/20/15 , edited 8/20/15

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Dude you literally said the same argument In greentext that doesn't change anything


You're doing the same thing... Your points are:
He's allowed to write this because he can.
He's just pointing something out.
It doesn't imply racism abd sexism because I say so.
You're just overreacting...

So saying that I'm repeating argument is hypocritical and ignorant. I knew what i was writing and I wrote it that way becase you were repeat the same arguments too... And since the argument is getting redundant, I'll bow out first to save myself from wasting more time... Good day!

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megahobbit [link url="/forumtopic-915471/important-issues-of-racism-and-sexism-being-tackled-again?fpid=51225383"

Once again these press events are not exclusive things. Many other journalists wrote about the game and its features. For him to write about something else is fine. Readers can find that info somewhere else its readily available.

Secondly Im sure all the gaming readers are just devastated that Forbes magazine (the number one magazine for gaming) did not deliver on the details. Forbes magazine as we know is the main source of gaming news.


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I can't speak for the other guys on Forbes since I pretty much just follow David for gaming my only source for Forbes since he mainly sony and microsoft focused when he previews a game his explains as a gamer what the features are and as a gamer how excited he is or what possible problems it may have. No one says he can't write an article like that but for his readers they have every right to complain if it doesn't live up to their standard from what they expect to see. While I agree you should always look at multiple sources if you want to find something out some people will only choose one or two people to follow and if anything they would be in a better position to critique his work since they are more familiar with what to expect.
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