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Trump, Clinton, or Deez Nuts?
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Can't wait for my "Vote Deez Nuts 2016" shirt



I mean we got one for Pedro
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BlueOni wrote:


ChinaCat89 wrote:

As funny as that is, It says a lot about the integrity of our system. When a 15 year old can successfully register as a 3rd party candidate under the name "Deez Nuts" and make national news, maybe something needs fixing?


His candidacy is already doomed by the federal constitution's requirements for election to the office of chief executive, so it's fine. There are, however, some problems in the US electoral system which quite need addressing.

First past the post voting schema need to be eliminated (I would instead recommend a single transferable vote scheme), districting needs to be done by an independent and nonpartisan entity, and consensus democracy needs to take the fore as the normative manner of governance. People need to lose the ability to funnel unlimited amounts of money into campaigns through dense networks of groups which falsely claim to be grassroots institutions when they're clearly not upon examination of their records, and furthermore the penalties for all the various sorts of corruption need to be stiffened.

That's where I'd start if it were me since these are the problems which stand out as the most significant at present.


I had a question for you Blue because your intelligence is on a higher plane than most if Trump makes it really far in polls for Republicans don't you have to open your books and show your past income tax returns just curious how that would pan out
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I've almost given up on voting. I'm even considering moving elsewhere. When it's either Deez Nuts or a bunch of numbnuts, I'm not really sure how much hope I should have.

Posted 8/21/15

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Trump is still best girl.

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PhantomGundam wrote:
That's more than any third party candidate has ever won in decades.


Although Ross Perot was nuttier.

(And Ralph Nader is still pursued by hordes of hungry squirrels to this day.)
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I still have faith in Trump-sama
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Those 9% people must be the most intelligent beings in this world.
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I had a question for you Blue because your intelligence is on a higher plane than most if Trump makes it really far in polls for Republicans don't you have to open your books and show your past income tax returns just curious how that would pan out


US presidential candidates releasing their tax returns (and at length) is a matter of convention, not law. This convention carries substantial weight, enough that it became a swarm of bees which tormented the Romney campaign when he hesitated to release more than a single return. Bush has taken note of that, and has already released his tax information in order to avoid the problem. In Trump's case, however, convention has been tossed aside in favour of a strategy which essentially amounts to sucking away every drop of attention his opponents are trying to secure for themselves. Trump seems to me to be essentially using the primary stage as a means for gathering attention for himself (if not as a candidate, then as a man), and not releasing his tax records would do precisely that.

In fact, there's historical precedent that Trump can use failure to release his tax returns as not only an attention getting tactic, but also as leverage to accomplish aims which solidify his support from targeted groups. Rewinding to the previous presidential race for a moment, Trump aimed at gaining the sympathies of those who thought that Obama was ineligible to be President since he allegedly wasn't a US citizen. He mocked, and joked, and ultimately stated that he'd release his tax records once Obama released his birth certificate. And Obama did exactly that, if only because he was finally tired of having to deal with that nonsense and wanted to deflate the Birthers' rhetoric once and for all. Poor sod, Trump was ready for that and the Birther base just started a new volley. Now they wanted more records.

How will this thing play out? Trump has virtually no chance of actually securing the GOP nomination even if current polling does say otherwise. He's short on policy proposals, and what policy proposals he has put out are either very vague (his proposal on how to handle ISIL essentially amounts to invading Syria full scale and claiming its oil fields) or transparently nonsensical (he claims he will somehow convince Mexico to fund the construction and maintenance of a wall spanning the entire US-Mexican border). He will, however, continue to be a gadfly buzzing about the GOP and creating trouble for them as long as he possibly can, and refusing to release his tax returns just sucks up more of that sweet, sweet attention the other candidates want.
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BlueOni wrote:


scoobydew wrote:

I had a question for you Blue because your intelligence is on a higher plane than most if Trump makes it really far in polls for Republicans don't you have to open your books and show your past income tax returns just curious how that would pan out


US presidential candidates releasing their tax returns (and at length) is a matter of convention, not law. This convention carries substantial weight, enough that it became a swarm of bees which tormented the Romney campaign when he hesitated to release more than a single return. Bush has taken note of that, and has already released his tax information in order to avoid the problem. In Trump's case, however, convention has been tossed aside in favour of a strategy which essentially amounts to sucking away every drop of attention his opponents are trying to secure for themselves. Trump seems to me to be essentially using the primary stage as a means for gathering attention for himself (if not as a candidate, then as a man), and not releasing his tax records would do precisely that.

In fact, there's historical precedent that Trump can use failure to release his tax returns as not only an attention getting tactic, but also as leverage to accomplish aims which solidify his support from targeted groups. Rewinding to the previous presidential race for a moment, Trump aimed at gaining the sympathies of those who thought that Obama was ineligible to be President since he wasn't a US citizen. He mocked, and joked, and ultimately stated that he'd release his tax records once Obama released his birth certificate. And Obama did exactly that, if only because he was finally tired of having to deal with that nonsense and wanted to deflate the Birthers' rhetoric once and for all. Poor sod, Trump was ready for that and the Birther base just started a new volley. Now they wanted more records.

How will this thing play out? Trump has virtually no chance of actually securing the GOP nomination even if current polling does say otherwise. He's short on policy proposals, and what policy proposals he has put out are either very vague (his proposal on how to handle ISIL essentially amounts to invading Syria full scale and claiming its oil fields) or transparently nonsensical (he claims he will somehow convince Mexico to fund the construction and maintenance of a wall spanning the entire US-Mexican border). He will, however, continue to be a gadfly buzzing about the GOP and creating trouble for them as long as he possibly can, and refusing to release his tax returns just sucks up more of that sweet, sweet attention the other candidates want.


Thanks Blue as always great Knowledge leads to great responsibility. I had a feeling you would have an answer equivalent to a Poli Sci-professor but maybe the best part is your an anime fan just like me so you break it down to my level of understanding
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I am surprised no one has said this to Trump but walls don't work someone should send him to the Korean boarder despite what they did there people still escape from north Korea to south Korea. He needs to come up with a better way for me its going to be Clinton
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I always did think we should move to a third party. The republicans and democrats just are... Well I'll just say they haven't been living up to expectations too put it mildly.
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Posted 8/21/15 , edited 8/21/15

scoobydew wrote:

Thanks Blue as always great Knowledge leads to great responsibility. I had a feeling you would have an answer equivalent to a Poli Sci-professor but maybe the best part is your an anime fan just like me so you break it down to my level of understanding :)


You're welcome, and flattery will get you everywhere.
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BlueOni wrote:


scoobydew wrote:

Thanks Blue as always great Knowledge leads to great responsibility. I had a feeling you would have an answer equivalent to a Poli Sci-professor but maybe the best part is your an anime fan just like me so you break it down to my level of understanding :)


You're welcome, and flattery will get you everywhere.


Yeah, I think most of us appreciate your thoughtful posts.
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kamahl01 wrote:


descloud wrote:

I normally go on about how I don't like the candidates.

But I REALLY don't like the candidates. We REALLY don't need another Bush. Trump has no idea what he is getting himself into. Hillary, well, actually I like her, and I'm not even democratic.


The only one who actually sound somewhat intelligent on the republican side so far is Ben Carson, but the I hear some of his views....On the democrat side, I don't trust Clinton(very wishy washy) and would consider Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden if he were to run. I'm also not looking forward to this election cycle.


I just feel like with the candidates we have. It ain't gonna end well.
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Just edited the OP with a poll.

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