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Posted 8/21/15

Ejanss wrote:
"A-bleest"? That's a new one.

Sneer at the Evil Un-PC Person all you like; here, step behind the rock-throwing line for your safety, and use the big round ones, they travel better.
But again, I've been on forums where A-posters DID talk about their doorknob collections. In DETAIL. For YEARS. Because they thought they'd found their Secret Doorknob Club Hideaway on the Net.
And because they didn't quite know why the board wasn't talking about doorknobs, they would often try to spark the discussion to a consideration of famous doorknobs in movies or anime, and whether this season's shows could give more focus to the growing audience of doorknob fans out there.
Did I say "often"? Try "Almost every single post". With a never-say-die will and dedication to the cause. And woe be the "Play nice" person who decided to be his "friend" against all the other meanies, and was now his personal Doorknob Buddy For Life.

The rest of the world isn't always wrong. Sometimes we have problems. For some of us, it's an uphill battle to try and keep our problems up to speed with the rest of the world so they won't be so apparent, and find that nice streamlined median that doesn't cause problems for anybody, but that requires a little bit of self-awareness, now matter how many meds some may or may not be taking.
It doesn't involve making up new words to pretend they might not have a problem, any more than it involves calling an excavation company to dig up the hill so it won't be uphill for them anymore.


Ableist is not a new word to "pretend people don't have a problem", it refers to discrimination against disabled people..
Posted 8/21/15 , edited 8/21/15

Ejanss wrote:
I've been on forums where A-posters DID talk about their doorknob collections. In DETAIL. For YEARS. Because they thought they'd found their Secret Doorknob Club Hideaway on the Net.
And because they didn't quite know why the board wasn't talking about doorknobs, they would often try to spark the discussion to a consideration of famous doorknobs in movies or anime, and whether this season's shows could give more focus to the growing audience of doorknob fans out there.
Did I say "often"? Try "Almost every single post". With a never-say-die will and dedication to the cause. And woe be the "Play nice" person who decided to be his "friend" against all the other meanies, and was now his personal Doorknob Buddy For Life..


Oh deary me. That's just awesome on another level
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Finny-sama wrote:


Ejanss wrote:
"A-bleest"? That's a new one.

Sneer at the Evil Un-PC Person all you like; here, step behind the rock-throwing line for your safety, and use the big round ones, they travel better.
But again, I've been on forums where A-posters DID talk about their doorknob collections. In DETAIL. For YEARS. Because they thought they'd found their Secret Doorknob Club Hideaway on the Net.
And because they didn't quite know why the board wasn't talking about doorknobs, they would often try to spark the discussion to a consideration of famous doorknobs in movies or anime, and whether this season's shows could give more focus to the growing audience of doorknob fans out there.
Did I say "often"? Try "Almost every single post". With a never-say-die will and dedication to the cause. And woe be the "Play nice" person who decided to be his "friend" against all the other meanies, and was now his personal Doorknob Buddy For Life.

The rest of the world isn't always wrong. Sometimes we have problems. For some of us, it's an uphill battle to try and keep our problems up to speed with the rest of the world so they won't be so apparent, and find that nice streamlined median that doesn't cause problems for anybody, but that requires a little bit of self-awareness, now matter how many meds some may or may not be taking.
It doesn't involve making up new words to pretend they might not have a problem, any more than it involves calling an excavation company to dig up the hill so it won't be uphill for them anymore.


Ableist is not a new word to "pretend people don't have a problem", it refers to discrimination against disabled people..


I think that's the problem. The people that have real problems, they don't want to be treated different. It's the assholes that want to be treated different and the people that feed that need that are the real issue. It's like a sick game of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy that people like to play now, and I won't have any of it.

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I was diagnosed as Autistic as a kid. They decided that was wrong and that I had ADD. Then they drugged the hell out of me. The first set of pills turned me into a little psycho. I couldn't control my urges and beat the crap of several kids. So they changed my meds. Ritalin was the next one, that one took away my appetite and destroyed my ability to sleep normally. Then they put me on Cylert, that one made me feel completely numb emotionally. I didn't get sad, mad, excited, etc. I lost the few friends I had and I stopped doing sports or homework. They took me off that and put me on Adderall. That one kind of worked for some symptoms, but it worsened my bouts of insomnia that started with Ritalin. No I take no medications and even psychologists are flabbergasted after testing me. The response is essentially, "But you seem so normal and put together?!?" The latest conclusion is that I do not have ADD. They want more tests my insurance does not want to pay for yet. Apparently the new DSM has caused some issues for getting diagnosis and treatment for a few things.

It has been shown that for those on the spectrum that are either high functioning or a bit closer to neurotypical, there are psychotherapeutic techniques using behavioral therapy and self-analysis combined with awareness training that can completely address many of the social and personal issues those with Aspergers, high functioning autism, and related disorders face. Pills usually have side effects, sometimes nasty ones. I won't say don't use them, they have a place. I will say over reliance on them is a bad weakness in our mental health care.

Another thing to consider, not all "mental illnesses" have more inherent drawbacks than benefits. This of course depends on both severity and how they interact. Many geniuses and great leaders have had disorders. An example: While depression is serious and can cause you great harm, data from studies in the past decade has revealed that neurotypical presentations actually see the world in a slightly unrealistically positive light. Those suffering from depression frequently have a more accurate and realistic view of odds of success and circumstances. The theory is that humans developed a slightly rose-tinted view specifically to ward off depression caused by circumstance and environment. This is not to say that every mental difference is a gift. Depression can be crippling and life ruining depending on the flavor and severity. Just like autism spectrum disorders can be anywhere from a net positive to something that rules your life and dictates challenges that would not be there otherwise.

While I can feel sad or frightened, I am not affected by these things the same way. I am able to act as I need to despite my emotional experience far more often than is neurotypical. I have both advantages and disadvantages as a result of how I am wired. There were points in my life when I would have wanted to be made normal. I would not choose that now. If you are neurotypical you have a lot of information available to you about how to cope with feelings, experiences, and challenges that you face in life. You may not have everything you need, but you have a big leg up compared to someone who is not neurotypical. I now have learned my version of the things I need to be successful and to get along in life. I had to figure most of them out though since they aren't the same as what I was taught. If this sort of knowledge had been more readily available growing up I would have had a much easier life. Those are the breaks though, the closer you are to the norm, the more everything is made for you and the more everything is about you. The further you are from the norm, the more you will have to struggle to relate yourself to that norm in some way.
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VZ68 wrote:


I think that's the problem. The people that have real problems, they don't want to be treated different. It's the assholes that want to be treated different and the people that feed that need that are the real issue. It's like a sick game of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy that people like to play now, and I won't have any of it.



Yeah. Self-diagnosis can be really stupid. "Sick game of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy" has a nice ring to it.
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LordDust wrote: Pills usually have side effects, sometimes nasty ones. I won't say don't use them, they have a place. I will say over reliance on them is a bad weakness in our mental health care.


It isn't just mental health. I can't believe that some people will take pills that the side effects are worse than the problem they are trying to fix is.

Was it Zoloft that was used to help you become less stressed around people but had a good chance of making you shit your pants and break out in acne?

I don't know about you people, but shitting yourself and breaking out makes me stressed to be around people.


We're the only first world nation that allows pharma to advertise to people. I love it when it is a pill for sweaty palms or agitation and one possible side effect is "death". Also, for the most part, kids can't really be part of many of the studies. They just assume drugs work the same on kids as they do on adults (even though we know for a fact that is often not true).

My grandfather had problems with severe leg pain after one of his cancer surgeries. They couldn't figure it out, so they gave him a pill to see if it would help. It kind of did, but then it made him dizzy, so they gave him a pill for that. That one slightly impaired motor control apparently, which compounded his leg weakness from the pain. They had him on seven pills that together were causing more issues than any illness he had ever endured. Pills have a place, but our over reliance is horrifying! Especially when many doctors don't seem to be well versed in interactions and side effects. In theory the pharmacist should help with that, but that doesn't seem to be working right most of the time.
Posted 8/21/15
I'm not very knowledgeable on these subjects (autism and Aspergers Syndrome) but I know 4 people with autism and NONE of them can write like you or express the same way like you. You seem pretty normal to me so maybe your case is not severe.

The 2 twins with autism are very violent and behave like kids who have syndrome of down(they're 10-12 years old). 3rd one is a 40 year old man with the mentality of a 5 year old and he is very very kind. 4th one goes to a special school and needs constant medication, he is violent sometimes. These people seem like they live in their own world far away from reality. Maybe that's why many people look down on them.
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People don't like those that are different.

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I don't I actually want to become a special ed teacher who teaches kids with Autism. I taught them through middle and high school from a internship that I was doing and found out that it was something that I liked. They are very sweet and very smart actually once you get to know them. You just have to learn how they work and how to deal with them is all just like any other person
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Posted 8/21/15 , edited 8/21/15

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My point was a cure would be good but i feel Parents would force it onto there children without the childs consent and how is that ok if that's ok we might aswell start saying things like circumcision are ok.


Who in their right mind (no pun intended) wouldn't want to be cured of something that is a detriment in various ways? Why would you willingly choose to subject yourself to all the problems that come with it? That sounds like a masochist to me. I see no problem with it being forced if it is indeed a cure and isn't misdiagnosed. I highly doubt an advantage here and there outweighs the negatives that come with this condition. You said that you yourself couldn't even dress yourself until 10 or so. That should give you an idea of why it should be cured. Also, using circumcision as a comparison is just awful. Not relatable.

I won't even get into the genetic side of it and the chances of it being hereditary. Though I will say people need to stop the hate on this condition and be able to realize the setbacks of it, I'll also state (in my opinion) it is stupid to choose to continue to live this way. It's great how far we've come with treatments for this but let's no delude ourselves into thinking we're better off left this way. That's taking a step backwards.




Its not just problems there are benefits to Autism also it's not just a problem it's a different way of functioning.

The fact you think it's ok to force it on a child just because they couldn't get dressed is disgusting yes we have trouble with alot of normal stuff normal people don't but we excel in other things because of who we are.


Aspergers which i have has benefited me alot and it has been a benefit for others it's not a one sided thing it's not only a disadvantage there are positives that come with the disorder.

Personally if my Mother had of cured me as a child i would have end up suing her and spent my whole life trying to turn myself back.
In the end i want to challenge this stupid view that Autism is only a negative thing it's a spectrum it can be positive or negative just because a kid can't talk or get dressed as a child doesn't mean he needs a cure.

It means he needs understanding to why he does that and why he doesn't and then when they are old enough they can make there own choice (unless they are serverly impacted by low functioning Autism then it would be ok to cure them).

But as it stands no High functioning Autistic person should be cured just because they are different unless they make that choice on there own i know alot of us who never want to change and are glad they grew up like they have taking a childs potential childhood just because you want to "Cure" them is the most selfish thing i can imagine.
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Posted 8/21/15 , edited 8/21/15

VZ68 wrote:

Why would anyone not want to be friends with someone that has poor impulse control, random mood swings, and won't stop talking about their door-knob collection? Before someone flips their shit, remember, I've worked with more mentally ill people than I care to count. And don't tell me you can't control your impulses, you gave up trying before you started.



Because behind there faults they are a human also if you get to know them a little they will open up more.
Otherwise don't talk to them we get carried away with topics i know i do.
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