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Some people think university is one of the best investments you can make. However, I disagree, as I will present evidence to prove that university is not worth it.

It is not worth going deeply into debt for a university degree in any subject because this debt is likely going to be very difficult to pay back. For example, there is woman who burrowed a large sum of student loan debt (about $70,000). She was only able to pay off her student loans by taking money that would otherwise be used to pay the rent, but use it instead to pay for student loans. Therefore this person didn't have enough money to pay for their rent because they had to pay for student loans. As such, the person lost their home. If you can become homeless because of student loan debt, I think you should think twice before going to university. In short, university is simply too expensive for many people.

Also, they teach you very little useful information in university. Most of the "information" they teach you in university is either trivial information or pure nonsense. For example, they taught me in a psychology course that the prefrontal cortex is responsible for decision-making. Yet, if you think about this claim critically, you will realize that there is zero evidence for it. So in other words, it is completely bunk!

Most importantly, you can learn virtually everything these days without going to university. You can learn almost everything using the Internet. For example, I can learn computer programming and web design using the Internet. There is no point going to university to learn any skill that you can learn on your own via the Internet and books.

Even if university was free, I still wouldn't go to it. University is not only a waste of money, but a huge waste of time and effort too. You are much better off doing something else with your time like starting your own business, working and/or working under an apprenticeship. Since university teaches you very little useful information, it is overly expensive and it is a waste of time, I believe it is ultimately not worth attending university.
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Two simple work philosophy; Do you want to work with your brain or your back?

My dad choose to work with his back and makes 6 figures doing it as an example. My grandmaster in Taekwondo has no business degree; however, runs two Taekwondo schools where he pays both head instructors 100k per year and runs his own multi-million Martial Arts brand.

College, in my opinion, is worth it if you want to do a job where you can go to work everyday and do not think it is work. There is nothing worse than doing a job you hate. I think if you choose a field in Information Technology, then many of the certifications one can do on their own like I did.
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It's worth it since it increases your chance of getting a proper job. Also it's free over here in Sweden so I can't complain
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Awaken_Riceball_ wrote:

Two simple work philosophy; Do you want to work with your brain or your back?

My dad choose to work with his back and makes 6 figures doing it as an example. My grandmaster in Taekwondo has no business degree; however, runs two Taekwondo schools where he pays both head teachers 100k per year and runs his own multi-million Martial Arts brand.

College to me is worth it if you want to do a job where you can go to work everyday and do not think it is work. There is nothing worse than doing a job you hate. I think if you choose a field in Information Technology, then many of the certifications one can do on their own like I did.


I work with my back. And I will for the rest of my work years. (bout 35+ more to go lmao)

But where I work the longer you're there the less physical the jobs get. So I don't mind working a little harder till then.

Me personally I feel like I was born to work with my hands not my brain. And if I don't do anything stupid I should be able to make out quite well in the end. Teachers in school always harped that "you have to go to college now days to get by" well no, you don't. It's a damn grind for the first ~5 years out of high school. But once you settle into it, move out your parents house, you start to see the light at the end of tunnel.
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If someone really HAS to and doesn't have tons of money, I'd suggest going to a
community college with transferable credits that many of the others will accept.
By the end of 2 years you'll know if its for you and you still get a little something
out of it if your serious and pick the right classes even if that's as far as you go.
Another 2-3 years at a main university afterward would sort you out if you decide
to keep going. I think finding a trade is also something to look into that your 2
years can also mesh with for fall back is something to think about too. Just
my thoughts on the matter.
Posted 8/22/15

It is not worth going deeply into debt for a university degree in any subject because this debt is likely going to be very difficult to pay back.


Loans aren't always a necessity. I take out loans and have to pay them back but it's not an exorbitant amount, it's payable.



Also, they teach you very little useful information in university. Most of the "information" they teach you in university is either trivial information or pure nonsense


Ridiculous to even say. A chemical engineering major is learning trivial nonsense? Or a childhood education major is? They're learning what they need to get the jobs they want, that's far from trivial.


Most importantly, you can learn virtually everything these days without going to university. You can learn almost everything using the Internet.


Firstly, the internet is extremely flawed and totally unreliable. Would you go to a doctor who said "I learned how to do brain surgery from Youtube"? No. You can't really learn anything from the internet unless it's online school. Anything else is just a hobby.

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If you're talking cost effective for other then a professional degree then no.If you're talking about from a knowledge and perspective viewpoint then unequivocally yes.
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Even putting aside the OP's arguments (there's some truth in there, but it's grossly exaggerated), there are people - like myself - who go to university recreationally. I knew going in that it's pretty tough to turn an English Lit degree into a job, but that didn't deter me, because I loved what I was doing there every day, and I still look back on my time at university as probably the best time of my life so far. Between a reasonable course cost, living with my parents at the time, and receiving a couple scholarships, I didn't accrue a very big debt going there. Hell, if I'd just done the standard four years (rather than taking 7 because I filled up my schedule with any and all electives that seemed interesting), I'd probably be out of the hole by now. But my attending university was not primarily a financial decision. I was just doing something I really wanted to do.

My point is that the university experience is just that. I can use the internet to learn things nowadays (and thanks to all the practice I got researching things in uni, I can fairly reliably weed out the bad sources and cross-reference to get a nice holistic sense of whatever I'm studying), but it's not the same. I spend a pretty big chunk of most of my day sitting at a computer already. For an introvert like me, it's an almost magical feeling being able to go somewhere where they're talking about something about which you actually have something to say. Being around other people who like to learn and discuss things gave me a place where I could thrive in a way I've never since been able to match. University has not made itself "worth it" for me financially, but it's a fact that my life was enriched by my going there, and even though I'm still paying off the remainder of my debt today, I've never for a second regretted it. Life isn't about how much you make and how efficiently you do it, it's about being happy. Money can be a means to that end, but it's far from the only one. For anyone who ultimately gets more joy than stress out of university and its results, university is worth it. The same can be said for virtually any activity.
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It is not worth going deeply into debt for a university degree in any subject because this debt is likely going to be very difficult to pay back. For example, there is woman who burrowed a large sum of student loan debt (about $70,000). She was only able to pay off her student loans by taking money that would otherwise be used to pay the rent, but use it instead to pay for student loans. Therefore this person didn't have enough money to pay for their rent because they had to pay for student loans. As such, the person lost their home. If you can become homeless because of student loan debt, I think you should think twice before going to university. In short, university is simply too expensive for many people.


If you are going insanely in debt, you are doing it wrong. I'm on my third year of college with no debt, bought my 8 grand car with cash, even helped my parents out financially from time to time, and still have 5k in savings to help with this year. How? I work while going to school. I milk grants and scholarships for all their worth. I've never taken a loan. There are financing options out there. People need to use them


Also, they teach you very little useful information in university. Most of the "information" they teach you in university is either trivial information or pure nonsense. For example, they taught me in a psychology course that the prefrontal cortex is responsible for decision-making. Yet, if you think about this claim critically, you will realize that there is zero evidence for it. So in other words, it is completely bunk!

Most importantly, you can learn virtually everything these days without going to university. You can learn almost everything using the Internet. For example, I can learn computer programming and web design using the Internet. There is no point going to university to learn any skill that you can learn on your own via the Internet and books.


While I agree that a lot of information you learn at a university can be learned elsewhere, as an educational establishment universities provide a single location where all this information his at hand. Included in this are professionals who are there to share their own experience and work with you, and facilities that give controlled practice in various fields (see the brain surgeon comment from one of the replies above).

Learning from the internet is possible, but you need to know where to learn that is credible. I have seen so many internet scholars with less educational fortitude than the average middle-schooler...


Even if university was free, I still wouldn't go to it. University is not only a waste of money, but a huge waste of time and effort too. You are much better off doing something else with your time like starting your own business, working and/or working under an apprenticeship. Since university teaches you very little useful information, it is overly expensive and it is a waste of time, I believe it is ultimately not worth attending university.


It's not a waste of time. It just depends on what you want to do. Some fields NEED a university education to be successful. Others, like programming you stated before, can be self taught. And finally there are many trades one can learn outside higher education.

I would highly suggest that anyone taking university courses also learn a trade as well. I'm a programmer getting into artificial intelligence, but I have also taken a machining apprenticeship. It's good to have all bases covered.

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Some people think university is one of the best investments you can make. However, I disagree, as I will present evidence to prove that university is not worth it.

It is not worth going deeply into debt for a university degree in any subject because this debt is likely going to be very difficult to pay back. For example, there is woman who burrowed a large sum of student loan debt (about $70,000). She was only able to pay off her student loans by taking money that would otherwise be used to pay the rent, but use it instead to pay for student loans. Therefore this person didn't have enough money to pay for their rent because they had to pay for student loans. As such, the person lost their home. If you can become homeless because of student loan debt, I think you should think twice before going to university. In short, university is simply too expensive for many people.

Also, they teach you very little useful information in university. Most of the "information" they teach you in university is either trivial information or pure nonsense. For example, they taught me in a psychology course that the prefrontal cortex is responsible for decision-making. Yet, if you think about this claim critically, you will realize that there is zero evidence for it. So in other words, it is completely bunk!

Most importantly, you can learn virtually everything these days without going to university. You can learn almost everything using the Internet. For example, I can learn computer programming and web design using the Internet. There is no point going to university to learn any skill that you can learn on your own via the Internet and books.

Even if university was free, I still wouldn't go to it. University is not only a waste of money, but a huge waste of time and effort too. [/red]You are much better off doing something else with your time like starting your own business, working and/or working under an apprenticeship. Since university teaches you very little useful information, it is overly expensive and it is a waste of time, I believe it is ultimately not worth attending university.


-Although I agree that it is too expensive, that isn't a reason to not attend. for a large percent of people who grew up poor or lower middle-class , its either pay off student loans or live out a life working crappy retail jobs. I was not rich and have 50,000 in debt, but I know have a professional degree in architecture. Starting salaries are low, loan payments are high, but guess what? I actually get to work in a field that I enjoy and chose . Would it be better to test the market of jobs with only a high school diploma? I worked at a grocery store for 7 years and if the pinnacle of my career was becoming a store assistant manager in 10 years than count me out.

-Yes you can self teach yourself many things, but as some other have posted, not everything. Also, most jobs in the professional world require a formal education. You will not find Doctors, Dentist, Lawyers,Architects, Engineers,etc.. who don't hold degrees.

-Its only a waste if you go for something that isn't for you. I went to school with someone who was very talented and an A student. In his 4th year of a 5 year program, he woke up one morning and decided it wasn't for him....As for the apprenticeship route, get in line. Do you know how crowded the market is for electrical, carpentry,plumbing apprentices? You have motivated grown men standing in line trying to start apprenticeships. Do you really think that millions of high school grads will be able to compete in that market? Some do, my sister became a carpenter, before she hurt her back...Everything has its risk and rewards.
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Well as someone who is aiming to be a teacher it'd be kinda hard(impossible) to get a job without a degree. It really boils down to what you want to do; if you want to be a lawyer you need not only a degree but the networking available at University; if you want to be a doctor you not only need a degree from uni but must go to graduate school otherwise no one will give you a job; if you want to be an electrician you'd waste your time and money because you could be doing an apprenticeship instead and get a lot further along. It may not be worth it to everyone but it certainly is to some.

Side note OP: mountains of evidence point to the prefrontal cortex being the portion of the brain that dictates decision making. I'm not sure what you think the decision making center of the brain is but I feel every professional pshychologist or brain surgeon would disagree with you.
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It really depends on the field of work that you're pursuing. If you're in the medical field, a degree is definitely required. If you're in the tech field, a degree is barely worth anything.
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Well, I'm not sure about other countries but in the US, 97% of those who were recently employed held at least a Bachelor's degree. Without one, the competition is much more fierce.
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I'm sure it's worth it if you have a passion for a particular area of study. But if your goal is to get a good paying job save yourself the frustration and get training in a trade.
University degree has done little for me, had to apprentice as a carpenter to make a good wage.
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Only if its for Nursing, Accounting, Engineering, or pre-med degree to become a doctor.....

anything else is a complete waste, especially for a 5 figure debt load
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