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I would suppose the people making the animes (animators?) would usually try to make something in genres which they would know would be popular. Hence, the romance, the harem-type, and the slice-of-life. So i won't suppose there'd be much deviance from the general norm. But of course, there are animes which are quite unique. I -actually- think animes revolving ard the same few genres are okay, I've only got issues with animes which are choked with fillers, and the storyline's dragging for much too long. (you know what they are.. haha)

I'd like to see more.. um.. supernatural ones though. Somethign like Ghost Hunt, that'd scare the shit outta me. HAHA, too many lovey- dovey anies about..



So for the most part, they aim for money rather than originality?


i would think so, no? Though, this may be just a one- sided view of mine.. =/

one good example would be fan- service. Like the flashing of underwear, and yadda yadda. I think it's too much.. and there isn't a need to do so. so many animes are doing just that..haha why the need for so much ecchi- ness (if there's such a term)


Yeah, well I understand some of that, but....as a film major, I prefer exploring new grounds rather than retracing the same grounds over and over. That really is the fun of being a director-- or a cinematographer or whatnot-- and I'd assume that film and animation would be similar on this matter.


I guess that should be the way and the spirit to go about it all, isn't it? (: But well, I'd have to say that it is hard to come up with a totally new storyline/ plot. Come to think of it, it's all being taken up, hasn't it? =/



True, but it shouldn't be hard to eliminate some of the overly common cliches-- such as the character profiles I have provided above-- as well as to develop some unique style. To some extent, every anime or manga has it's own "style," but to me they are all basically variations of the same style.

The few cases where I find original or unique styles replacing the uniform and familiar styles we've all seen a hundred times before tend to be my favorite series. Take, for example, One Piece. Whether or not the art quality itself can be classified as good is, of course, debatable. However, the style is unique and thus gives the entire a series its own personality. That's what other shows lack through cliches and repetitions and such: personality.


ah definitely, variations are practically the only things that are making all the animes.. I know what you mean.. I thought animes like Shugo Chara and Kirarin Revolution were good coz of the really varied settings they were in. The schools were so much more different, and i could see that the makers really put a lot of effort into designing a totally new and unique campus, and uniform too, as well as characters. at least they don't seem very.. recycled (:
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Well I think that the main reason is that you are talking about more mainstream anime which uses character types that appeal well to their audiences. Those characters sell well so if you use them with a slightly familiar storyline at the right time, you've got a hit. Go to less known work and you will find more variety in characters. I'd say look toward anime aimed toward older audiences as those are usually more creative as far as characters and storyline goes.


yeap! I like the storyline of Shingurui.(: i thought that was quite a fresh storyline.. =/


never heard of it. I was thinking of Serial Experiments Lain (each episode is a vignette and Lain has split personality disorder), Ergo Proxy (Philosophical, mythological, art, allusions everywhere, nothing is revealed at once) and Monster (a really psychological look into fear as well as many biblical references). I'll have to look up Shingurui. If it's on this thread (in the way you mentioned) it has to be good.


yeap, you've got to try it. though they have an age limit on it.. another one you can check out is Mononoke, and Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei. Both of them are wonderful too, and have really unique plots (:
Posted 2/7/08
Thats very true...and it does get pretty boring after a while

The problem is that since the trend started out like this [having main characters suffer, possessing incredible powers, usually a less popular character] creators tend to follow it. Maybe they're afraid to start something new. Probably they fear that regular anime watchers, like us, wont like the whole new fresh idea of making a "cool" main character ^^
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I'm extremely picky when It comes to comparing anime..
The animation style and the tone the anime sets.. The style of jokes they use and also the storylines..

I've seen many people compare Minami-ke to Lucky Star.. I thought that was bullshit..
Lucky Star has both a different style of comedy and animation.. Lucky Star will either throw small jokes about small "what if" questions that people often run into or will use a lot of other anime reference..
Minami-Ke starts out quite mild and builds up its comedy over time, often reusing certain jokes for added effects..

If it were up to me, I'd compare Minami-ke to Ichigo Mashimaro.. Although not many people have watched the TV series of Ichigo Mashimaro
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Ultimately, when we watch Anime or read Manga, we tend to view the same characters undergo the same events and same actions time and time again. Note, this is not just in Shounen. Shounen, of course, is a great example of reusing familiar ideas and concepts.

We all know that there is a protagonist who: (a) often eats a lot; (b) often has hidden or suppressed "abilities"; (c) often faced hardship in the past; (d) often is incredibly innocent; (e) often is completely undervalued by his peers; (f) often is incredibly competetive; (g) often is childlike.

We all know that there is a rival-- but ally-- who: (a) often has incredible resolve; (b) often is far more serious than the protagonist; (c) often is far quieter than the protagonist; (d) often has a cold, discerning attitude; (e) often seems to contain a hint of evil; (f) often is far too proud.

We all know that there is a female protagonist who: (a) often is very weak at the start of the series; (b) often seems to boss the boys around; (c) often realizes that she must ultimately protect her friends rather than relying completely upon them; (d) often is incredibly good looking; (e) often serves as more of an assistant or a healer than a combative role.

We all know that the protagonist usually has a friend who: (a) serves as comic relief; (b) strives to be strong, but inevitably will never quite be as strong as the protagonist or his rival.



These roles are all predictable and common. They are cliche. Again, I ask why we appreciate these cliche roles so much and tend to replicate them rather than develop new and original roles?



the roles found in love triangles and Shoujos and everything else all tend to be repetetive, also.
Posted 2/7/08

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DaisukiKissu wrote:

Thats very true...and it does get pretty boring after a while

The problem is that since the trend started out like this [having main characters suffer, possessing incredible powers, usually a less popular character] creators tend to follow it. Maybe they're afraid to start something new. Probably they fear that regular anime watchers, like us, wont like the whole new fresh idea of making a "cool" main character ^^


So instead of trying something new, you settle for mediocrity? See, too me, that makes no sense.


I never said anything about myself, and I prefer some new ideas as well.

I'm just saying, the creators are probably afraid to break the trend, fearing it won"t be as popular and well-liked as the original ones.

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DaisukiKissu wrote:

Thats very true...and it does get pretty boring after a while

The problem is that since the trend started out like this [having main characters suffer, possessing incredible powers, usually a less popular character] creators tend to follow it. Maybe they're afraid to start something new. Probably they fear that regular anime watchers, like us, wont like the whole new fresh idea of making a "cool" main character ^^


So instead of trying something new, you settle for mediocrity? See, too me, that makes no sense.


I never said anything about myself, and I prefer some new ideas as well.

I'm just saying, the creators are probably afraid to break the trend, fearing it won"t be as popular and well-liked as the original ones.




Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking of as well... Anime producers fear that if they did divulge from the norm, they wouldn't get the same reception as they did with their other same-plot-same-characters anime. It IS a business, after all. Who would want to abandon a product that sells so damn much?

But then again, a change of pace from the norm would be much appreciated. It's a pity that the animes that DO stand out from the others due to their uniqueness often get shafted for the more popular, yet generic series'.
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I never read long lines. It's pretty long I never wanna read it.
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I never read long lines. It's pretty long I never wanna read it.


Then don't. Keep your opinions to yourself if it doesn't help with the discussion. Sheesh
Posted 2/7/08
Wow...... Be being only human (albeit an intelligent book worm writer human, but human none the less), I am finding it impossible to follow what is happening in this thread up to this point. ^_^ Any way,yes that type of thing happens a lot. It seems to me like when we watch the popular animes, which always seem to be the first ones people watch, we enjoy them so much that we want it to continue as long as possible. That leaves us craving more when we finish, so we look for animes with similar plots and themes. For example, there are about fifty billion magical girl animes in the shoujo genre, but I just can't seem to stop watching them and- what do you know?- the first anime I ever saw was Sailor Moon. So, the people who make animes tend to sort of model them after often popular animes that they've seen before. The good thing about this is that there seems to be an endless supply of the kinds of animes that we like, but the problem is that animes like La Corda d'Oro that are really unique leave people like me craving more but unable to find any. So, in conclusion, if you look for animes that are considerably popular or common you are likely to be better off because you will have more to watch but if you are bored, just btanch out to different genres.
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comradered wrote:


DaisukiKissu wrote:


ShenOkito wrote:


DaisukiKissu wrote:

Thats very true...and it does get pretty boring after a while

The problem is that since the trend started out like this [having main characters suffer, possessing incredible powers, usually a less popular character] creators tend to follow it. Maybe they're afraid to start something new. Probably they fear that regular anime watchers, like us, wont like the whole new fresh idea of making a "cool" main character ^^


So instead of trying something new, you settle for mediocrity? See, too me, that makes no sense.


I never said anything about myself, and I prefer some new ideas as well.

I'm just saying, the creators are probably afraid to break the trend, fearing it won"t be as popular and well-liked as the original ones.




Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking of as well... Anime producers fear that if they did divulge from the norm, they wouldn't get the same reception as they did with their other same-plot-same-characters anime. It IS a business, after all. Who would want to abandon a product that sells so damn much?

But then again, a change of pace from the norm would be much appreciated. It's a pity that the animes that DO stand out from the others due to their uniqueness often get shafted for the more popular, yet generic series'.




I agree anime is a business and thing like bleach and naruto and one piece sell really well to the general public so they will make and make other that are the same theme with character developing the same way
Until to theme of it is wore so thine out that every one get tired of it then they will use a new theme and do the same thing until it wore so thine again that no one want to watch it. since this is thew best way to run a business it cheaper then coming up with a new theme every new anime and it easier.
Plus the average person when they start to like something like naruto are other like that. that is all they will like for a long time they not good at change. That why when a different anime come out that plot theme character is completely different then like every other anime it not as popular as those that are anime that are alike that the storyline and character are alike. it how it goes in a couple of year it may take five year are so but a new theme will apper and it will be repeated over and over again just like this theme is.
sorry not good in eng so I tried my best to explain this but I may have not explain it good since not good in eng.

death note, fate/stay night,shakugan no shana. are three anime that are really different from each other and i found them to be good anime.

after watching like 2 anime that are simpler i will usually get bored of it and try to find a anime that is completely different
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gravitation and papa to kiss in the dark

the main characters kinda look alike...
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In stories a lot of themes are universal. Love, friendship, family, striving for excellence, conquering one's own demons, growing up. These are things one can find in different stories regardless of the genre. Ultimately it's how the creator spins the plot and the originality and depths of the characters that make each different.

Shakugan no Shana for example, the concept of ones existence disappearing is something I haven't seen before and the anime gets to show us how the protagonist deals with this. Very refreshing. And yet concepts of family, love and jealousy etc etc are still seen in the story.

My point? I think it's possible to have recycled concepts and at the same time still have originality. Therefore, I think profit is the reason anime companies and mangaka stick to a tried and tested formula. After all, different would be riskier for them.

Of course, this is possible because there is no lack of audience/market. Children are constantly growing up. Some would do it with YYH and Kenshin, others with Naruto or Bleach. (Not that I'm comparing cause I love YYH and Rurouni Kenshin so much more than the latter two.)
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srry i didnt really watch satan666
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Oh, and did I forget to say that whatever theme the anime is exploring should be resolved in a reasonable amount of episodes or else it grows stale? Sheesh... aside from recycling for profit there is also milking the cow.
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