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Now if we could get child birth rates decreasing in china/india/africa that would be great.Since the pressure will blow to some direction at some point.


The US too, bro. J/s.

I think Japan's reached the pinnacle of 1st world society - it's even solved its overpop crisis.

I mean, it's really f************** easy to make babies. It's harder not to make them, right? Every single other country in the world is dealing with some sort of population thingy. Japan's got it down pat :D


Last stats I saw (too lazy to look it up right now) showed that sans Immigration the US population would actually be declining. Not nearly the same situation as japan though.
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I don't see anything wrong with this, less population = more opportunity for everyone else. Also cities are packed, the last thing they want to do is to keep increasing population. They also have a great immigration policy for a county that wants to maintain its unique homogeneous identity.
Also, this is what a higher standard of living does, it decreases the need to populate. I think the rest of the world should see this as an example of what they should strive to achieve.


The problem is that the age distribution is off? You can't just have this kind of, frankly, rapid decrease in population, particularly since already we can see its effects. If 1 of 4 people is a senior at this point, you have 25% of your population creating a strain on the government services, that being healthcare and other social programming. While yes, we should be striving for what is called Zero Net Population Growth, a decrease of this magnitude is not a good growth policy. In fact this is a nice preview of what we can expect in the next decade or so as in the west, our baby boomers begin to retire in greater numbers, people who while coming from large families, only had a couple of children themselves.

Basically, while we don't really want a huge population jump, this is also not ideal.



I'm not sure how Japan does their healthcare programs, but I don't hear anything about it, so I assume it is mostly living with family. I haven't heard any news of younger generations complaining about the programs like we from North America do. Also, once the old generation dies off en-mass, which is what will come about for us, there is an ease of burden upon social programs. Japan has one of the highest standards of living if not the highest in the world because of their lifestyle choices which are reflected in their culture. Yes, it might hurt financially for a couple of decades, but after that the country should come out better than ever and more efficient than before. So, yes you are right that it will hurt economically and strain whatever kind of social service they have in their county, but they'll end up better because of their choices.

I believe the people of Japan are smart enough to make these decisions and people who become parents will be more dedicated to their family because of this choice. So in my eyes, the people of Japan are thinking their lives through a great deal more, and waiting to pursue having a family until becoming financially secure or deciding otherwise. These cultural qualities are not as prevalent in the west, so I think that this kind of event would hurt us a lot more.


Japan has one of the highest, while declining I'll admit, suicide rates in the world and it's tied quite tightly, not only to their culture, but to business as well. It is the leading cause of death of males in age of the primary workforce. Japan has one of the greatest stress related suicide rates in the world. Japan does not have all the answers, that much is apparent.

Not only that but those years of 'financial difficulties' cause more of these suicides, cut into an economy that will require as much growth as possible to keep up with the increase in retirees and the financial burden that they will not only put on the state, but also on their children as they get older. This will also make couples put off having children because per one child if we assume that we continue to see a 1 to 2 children per family, is already going to have to support the financial burden of one or both their parents. This can lead up to 4 elders being put on their children which is a huge financial strain not to mention kids on top of it?

Again, not against lower population growth, that is not what I'm advocating, but I'm also not advocating creating a system where the aging population causes such a strain that it isn't healthy for the younger populace. Japanese work environments are already vicious and stressful enough after all.
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2.1 is the best number to keep the population stable.... Japan would be somewhere around 0.9-1.5....
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I can't imagine japan will be in war with china. They really need the manpower they can get
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They need Ginko to get on the case
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A natural population decrease poses real economic problems. Modern day systems, such as retirement and health care, were designed with the assumption that each new generation would be larger than the preceding generation.



Jan- wrote:
Last stats I saw (too lazy to look it up right now) showed that sans Immigration the US population would actually be declining. Not nearly the same situation as japan though.


Yes.

Without Hispanic immigrants, the U.S. would be facing the same problems of natural population decrease that Japan and much of Europe are facing.
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I have every confidence that Japanese society can cope with it's declining birthrate and rigid immigration laws .Look how little time it took them to go from an essentially an agrarian society to an industrial power.Cultural viewpoints will change in the face of pragmatic outcomes.
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It seems like in Japan its family or work, not both.


This. ^

From what I see, career women in Japan generally understand that to be a good mother, means staying at home with the kids, tending to the kids. Not driving sales, pushing numbers, taking phone calls, then going home to make a 20 minute dinner for your neglected children so you can get some rest or get back to work.

This is the divide between the rational Japanese feminists and the Feminazi here in the States. You question a mothers choice to have a career before her children are out of the house and they'll chew your head clean off and scream, "Patriarchy!" ..

Also the American Feminist ideologies are pushing The State to take the place of fathers as resource provider if she chose the wrong man to have children with. She's also forced to work, hence the children are raised by The State and usually default to their peers opinions over their parents or direct kin.

Now, I don't know how welfare or social assistance programs work in Japan but, here in the States.. The, "welfare state" can be literally equated to the, "Single mother welfare state".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMYX__Z6hvE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-6baE69YDY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XooUY4p4RaY



Overall though, as an individual.. There's absolutely no incentive to having sex or children other than instinctual urges that can be satisfied with the myriad of adult content and or products available to people today. Avoid the shaky, sometimes awkward moments of meeting new people, save shit tons of money while doing it.

Anyway, just my thoughts.


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