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Posted 8/26/15

TheAncientOne wrote:


If so, then it is the "one of these things is not like the others" of the bunch.



If you mean biologically ? Then yes. But I don't view siblings has something that is because of blood. To me siblings is because of their relation and bond.
Posted 8/26/15

Frenzify wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


If so, then it is the "one of these things is not like the others" of the bunch.



Hey, didn't Kotori already explain? Real siblings can't even get married, so she's got one up on all of them... As long as we ignore the Oreimo ending of season 2, and the fact that Riko and Ako are Keita's step siblings... and that Suguha and Kirito are cousins... Hmm...


Well like I say before. Relations and bonds is what make you somebody sibling rater than blood. Oreimo ending Didn't we all in the anime community agree to never peak of the ending ?
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If we are talking anime with incest endings, you guys are missing both Koi Kaze and Akaneiro ni Somaru Saka. There is also the Listen to Me Girls, I am Your Father! OVAs... but not sure if that counts as incest or not.

That being said, actual incest in anime is rare. Sure, you can pick out half a dozen examples... but out of hundreds of anime, that's only a tiny fraction.

What's much more common (outside of hentai, that is--but you can find anything and everything in hentai) is to have an incest character as part of the harem, but not actually go that route. And you can find a lot more examples of this: Mayo Chiki, Haganai, Sword Art Online, Kanon, Love Hina, the Monogatari Series, etc

There are also a couple examples where they introduce incest as a plot device to keep the character from committing to any one of the harem too quickly (because the MC doesn't want to accidentally sleep with his sister): Please Twins! and Naikamo: My Little Sister is Among Them are both examples of this.
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Haganai

Seriously? You count Kobato as incest character?
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If it is a story about incest then of course it is necessary. For example, Koi Kaze simply wouldn't exist without the incest plot-line.

However, overall there isn't really any particular (non thematic) plot-point that is necessary to any particular show. The writers could always choose to do something different. However, the plot-points that they chose to include are what make the story what it is, so questioning "do we really need this", is a bit ridiculous and pointless to me. Because no plot-point is needed, a work shouldn't be judged on what "needed to be there", but instead on what is there. Are there times when the incest plot-line is badly done? Of course, but saying that incest isn't necessary so it shouldn't be included is looking at everything from the wrong angle.
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Posted 8/26/15
Yes, it's necessary because it arouses me.

Sexually.
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Posted 8/26/15
Incest is Wincest.
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Posted 8/26/15

mnmike wrote:

There is also the Listen to Me Girls, I am Your Father! OVAs... but not sure if that counts as incest or not.

Cousins don't count as incest in Japan. In reality, it isn't as common as anime might lead one to believe, with less than 1% of marriages (possibly as low as 0.4%) being between cousins.

That is still higher than the U.S., where apparently the rate is apparently 0.2% for second cousins or closer. (I didn't find a breakdown for first cousins [yes, it is allowed in some states], and the statistic for Japan doesn't specify if it is first cousins only). Both countries are well below the overall global percentage (which ranges from 10%-20%, depending on the information source).

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Posted 8/26/15

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Hey, didn't Kotori already explain? Real siblings can't even get married, so she's got one up on all of them... As long as we ignore the Oreimo ending of season 2, and the fact that Riko and Ako are Keita's step siblings... and that Suguha and Kirito are cousins... Hmm...

That's what I meant. There is no blood relation, although I forgot that apparently goes for the two girls in Kiss X Sis also.

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Posted 8/26/15

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mnmike wrote:

There is also the Listen to Me Girls, I am Your Father! OVAs... but not sure if that counts as incest or not.

Cousins don't count as incest in Japan. In reality, it isn't as common as anime might lead one to believe, with less than 1% of marriages (possibly as low as 0.4%) being between cousins.

That is still higher than the U.S., where apparently the rate is apparently 0.2% for second cousins or closer. (I didn't find a breakdown for first cousins [yes, it is allowed in some states], and the statistic for Japan doesn't specify if it is first cousins only). Both countries are well below the overall global percentage (which ranges from 10%-20%, depending on the information source).



Yeah, I've seen those stats too. FiveThirtyEight had a really interesting article on that awhile back:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-are-married-to-their-cousins/

Also, in Listen to Me Girls, it's not cousins; there is clearly no blood relation involved, it's more just a similar level of creepiness factor (not unlike the Usagi Drop manga).
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Posted 8/26/15

mnmike wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


mnmike wrote:

There is also the Listen to Me Girls, I am Your Father! OVAs... but not sure if that counts as incest or not.

Cousins don't count as incest in Japan. In reality, it isn't as common as anime might lead one to believe, with less than 1% of marriages (possibly as low as 0.4%) being between cousins.

That is still higher than the U.S., where apparently the rate is apparently 0.2% for second cousins or closer. (I didn't find a breakdown for first cousins [yes, it is allowed in some states], and the statistic for Japan doesn't specify if it is first cousins only). Both countries are well below the overall global percentage (which ranges from 10%-20%, depending on the information source).



Yeah, I've seen those stats too. FiveThirtyEight had a really interesting article on that awhile back:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-are-married-to-their-cousins/

Also, in Listen to Me Girls, it's not cousins; there is clearly no blood relation involved, it's more just a similar level of creepiness factor (not unlike the Usagi Drop manga).


Actually In Listen to Me Girls it's :

The 3 girls father got married to the main character's sister. Him and the girl that likes him didn't meet until they were like 16 and 11 or something. They were complete strangers, and she got a crush on him at that time. Also he barely interacted with them outside of family gatherings. So they might as well have just been really distant relatives.

I will give you Usagi Drop, because obviously they had a father daughter relationship. With the other one, there was nothing like that. Unless it automatically becomes creepy because of a legal arrangement two strangers have little control over.
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Posted 8/26/15

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Actually In Listen to Me Girls it's :

The 3 girls father got married to the main character's sister. Him and the girl that likes him didn't meet until they were like 16 and 11 or something. They were complete strangers, and she got a crush on him at that time. Also he barely interacted with them outside of family gatherings. So they might as well have just been really distant relatives.

I will give you Usagi Drop, because obviously they had a father daughter relationship. With the other one, there was nothing like that. Unless it automatically becomes creepy because of a legal arrangement two strangers have little control over.


The second OVA takes place 4 years after the series...


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Posted 8/26/15

xxJing wrote:

The 3 girls father got married to the main character's sister. Him and the girl that likes him didn't meet until they were like 16 and 11 or something. They were complete strangers, and she got a crush on him at that time. Also he barely interacted with them outside of family gatherings. So they might as well have just been really distant relatives.

I will give you Usagi Drop, because obviously they had a father daughter relationship. With the other one, there was nothing like that. Unless it automatically becomes creepy because of a legal arrangement two strangers have little control over.


Xxjing is right about Yuuta and Sora's relationship.

When they met Yuuta was 18 and Sora 14. Even though people looked at it as him being her new Father, she never acceped him that way as she was crushing on him and technically they weren't even related so she became more a co-parent of the younger girls. Only the youngest, Hina the 3-yr old, was actually related to him (she was his niece by blood). Sora and Miu can pretty much be described as Step-nieces to Yuuta at best (no blood relation at all). They were both in college when they got together as a couple.

Myself, I'm of the belief that incest is defined best by the law. It's defined (by law) in most states (and countries) as marriage to a blood relation of a certain degree (mother/father, sister/brother, aunt/uncle (and first cousin in some places but not others)). If there's no blood relation, neither I nor the law see anything wrong with it among consenting adults (emphasis on both the words "consenting" and "adults"). But then again, that's just my belief. While people point out the incest in most anime sometimes they confuse incest with bro/sis crushing on an elder sibling or parent (which is along the lines of "I want to marry __ when I grow up!" territory). There's not a lot of actual incest in anime at all (excluding hentai of course).
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why can't we have more hilarious topics like this?

And to answer your question: it is 110% needed! Incest is wincest, am I right? OR AM I RIGHT? Illya agrees.

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Posted 8/26/15

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Yes, it's necessary because it arouses me.

Sexually.


Now this was the answer I was looking for.
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