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Posted 8/27/15 , edited 8/27/15
I grew up in "the east" and only like Ghost in the Shell out of that list. The really popular anime when I was growing up were Voltes V, DBZ, Yu Yu Hakusho, Rurouni Kenshin, Trigun, and Cowboy Bebop. I'm not really sure where you got those ideas of yours from, but coming from someone who was watching anime in "the east" her entire childhood / teen life, I'm telling you now that you're gravely mistaken.

Other popular titles were Card Captor Sakura, Magic Knight Rayearth, Sailor Moon (eww), Saber Marionette J, and Neon Genesis Evangelion (another eww). So going by your use of the protagonists' gender to determine anime popularity with a specific audience is extremely flawed.

People like what they like for different reasons. I think that using your own skewed views and opinions to make up baseless generalizations is pointless and stupid.
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Posted 8/27/15 , edited 8/27/15

MissKittenVicious wrote:
Other popular titles were Card Captor Sakura, Magic Knight Rayearth, Sailor Moon (eww), Saber Marionette J, and Neon Genesis Evangelion (another eww). So going by your use of the protagonists' gender to determine anime popularity with a specific audience is extremely flawed..


And of those, Sakura and Moon were wildly popular with Western anime fans over here, while Rayearth and Marionette were....not.

Another good example of distinctions would be Outbreak Company, which caught on with Western CR fans as a hilariously clever allegory of J-culture's invasion in the 90's, while Japan dismissed it as a show about another hopeless otaku, and the makers of the show had to write in later that no, don't worry, he was really a game-addicted work-protesting hikkikomori-NEET after all, just to ease the crowd and play down some of the pro-fandom sentiments of the show.
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Posted 8/28/15

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More interesting to me, it seems that without even realizing it you listed mostly shows with male leads in high school on the eastern list and very few shows with males leads in high school on the western list. Even from my own observations, the high school setting doesn't seem to resonate with western audiences as much. It could just be that Japan's primary audience is high school age boys, but I have noticed that a large part of the audience even here on Crunchyroll seems to be high school age boys so it makes me wonder. I once read that the Japanese are so badly overworked by their society that they like to be reminded of high school because it was the high point in their lives. Maybe it's not as popular in the west because the American school system is such a mess.

Interesting point, I didn't even notice that.



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Death Note is not sexist lmao I feel like I'm reading tumblr where everyone finds everything sexist.....if Death Note is sexist then why EVA is not sexist for you? the lead male character is weak while most of the female ones are strong.


Because all the other male characters other than the protagonist are strong. Where as there isn't a single strong female character in Death Note, well there were one as I remember, she got killed because she's supposedly not as smart as the protagonist.
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Posted 8/28/15
I think the difference for how East and West tend to lead to one type or the other is how we view anime in the west. Anime is fun for kids growing up since the West sees most shows that are animated as "Cartoons" having anime like DBZ, FMA, Cowboy Bebop make it seem more normal that say Toradora where it develops from a high-school comedy to a romance. Western society is more violent most of the top television shows are cop dramas or fictional killers and such. Both styles are great, i think is has more to do with our current society than anything else.

Sorry i got all little of topic lol
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Posted 8/29/15 , edited 8/29/15

MrAnimeSK wrote:

Pretty sure that Evangelion and and ghost in the shell were big in the west?
But yeah i know that some anime that did particulary well in places like America didn't do so well in Japan.
I think cowboy bebop was one of those?
I think some anime is aimed at a western audience. And i guess some anime taht is big in Japan is only popular amoungst "hard core" western anime fans, as oppsed to the casual anime fan?


-Eva and Ghost in the Shell were pretty big deals in the west.

-I'm pretty sure Cowboy Bebop was a non-entity in Japan. I remember reading something on the lines of only about 5-6 of the episodes were shown late at night and then taken off the air.

-Samuari Champloo was created for western audiences though it did have a full run in Japan. I also think there would have never been a season 2 of The Big O if Cartoon Network didn't agree to pick it up.

There was a lot of talk a year or 2 after Cowboy Bebop was released that Japan was going to start making more anime aimed primarily at western audiences. However netflix and streaming/torrents came along. DVD sales collapsed, almost every western publisher went out of business and so that idea wasn't viable anymore.
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Posted 8/29/15


Bebop was (and still is) popular in Japan, the episodes that got taken off were deemed "too mature" thats why.
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Posted 8/29/15 , edited 8/29/15

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Bebop was (and still is) popular in Japan, the episodes that got taken off were deemed "too mature" thats why.


Ok fair enough. I though that i had read that it was more popular in America than it was in Japan. maybe it was misinformation or maybe i was getting it mixed up with something else?
It may have been Samurai champloo or something?
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Posted 8/29/15
I dunno about this because I hold Ghost in the Shell as one of my top series with one of my absolute favorite and most respected female characters. I also am fond of Clannad, Fate series, and Monogatari series, though elements within them that may go toward cultural influences do annoy me. Also one of my biggest complaints with anime/manga is that female characters tend to always be put under the male lead or is just there to be a clumsy love interest or tsundere. And I'm a Western fan.
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Posted 8/29/15 , edited 8/29/15
If I am not mistaken HS of the Dead was not too popular in Japan but was in the US .

Ghost in the Shell I believe was popular in Japan or else there wasnt any movie made but I believe it is very popular in the US although the DVD/bluray sales were awefull becuase of who licensed it.
Posted 8/29/15
Ghost in the shell was my favorite tho..the OP was badass
i remember it coming on Funi or Adult swim and me & my brother use to watch it
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Posted 8/29/15

iashakezula wrote:

If I am not mistaken HS of the Dead was not too popular in Japan but was in the US .

It averaged sales of 6,812 per video volume in Japan. I wouldn't call it a hit (which it seemed to be in relative terms in the US), but it would probably have qualified for a second series if the material had been there for one.

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I completely agree sundin13. Also America ('cause that is the only Western country that matter *US flag drops, bald eagle flies, and tank fires*) is more puritanical. So violence is fine but sexy times, not so much. How many posts/macros have you seen about an anime fan's family member walking in right at the naked/ bouncing boob shot? If anything the sexism thing is the other way around. Male characters forcing themselves on female characters who clearly state they want nothing to do with them is extremely common in anime as are verbally abusive love interest . A serious Otaku would know about/ have watched Wolf Girl or Maid Sama (hardly the worse offenders) but a more casual Western watcher would likely be put off by the demeaning treatment of the female characters. The Western watcher would rather see Erza kick twelve kinds of ass, Nami navigate a pirate ship, or Yoruichi train our protagonist- more violence, less sex, better treated women.
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Posted 9/2/15

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It seems to me that there is a key difference between most western (NA and Europe) anime fans, and most eastern anime fans (Japan, China, Korea). First of all I don't mean this in a critical way I think we're all heavily influenced by our cultures, so I wouldn't start blaming any fan groups. Secondly obviously there are lots of exceptions, I mean almost everyone here would technically count as western but I'm sure a lot of you will not really conform with that generalization. Thirdly, I haven't watched anime actively for a while, and some of the shows I will talk about I haven't watched for years so I might not get all the details right.

So here we go, these shows, at least how it seems to me, are what most western people like:
Dragon Ball Z
One Piece
Full Metal Alchemist
Cowboy Bebop
Death Note
Hellsing

From that list I enjoyed Full Metal Alchemist. None of the others. I dropped Death Note before finishing.


eastern audiences:
Clannad After Story
Evangelion
Suzumiya Haruhi series
Fate series
Toradora
Bakemonogatari
Ghost in the Shell

I loved all the above.


Now obviously there will be some overlap, all of them would be considered decent everywhere, but I'm just suggesting where they get more love from. For example everybody knows Ghost in the Shell is a great series, but if you ask, what's the best anime series, western anime fans I think, are less likely to name that and more likely to say something like Dragonball or FMA.

What I'm trying to get here is, western people like bros, yes, they like bros to be protagonists in their anime (actually everywhere else, movies, games, shows), and they like their women to be secondary characters. Where as eastern audiences don't seem to care or even lean towards the female side. And I don't really mean this in a sexist way, because I think it is true that a lot of eastern audiences want to see female leads just because of beewbs, and of course there are animes that star female leads because beewbs.
All I'm trying to do here, is present this observation, and see what you guys think about it.

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Posted 9/2/15
gundam

when i moved to canada at highschool, i am super surprised the anime lovers here have never watch gundam.....

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Posted 9/2/15
i tend to find that western fans generally prefer shows with a more western flare and not steeped in eastern lore
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Posted 9/2/15
The problem here is that this is all your subjective opinion. Without any actual data points to go on we're all just sharing anecdotes. Plus your entire theory is completely undercut by the fact the most popular / best selling genre in Japan is shonen. AKA 100% bro where women are only secondary characters ( if that in some cases ).

Its further compounded by one more very important fact: Access to titles. Its easy to find anime in the west these days but it use to be a chore and our choices were limited entirely by what actually made it over here. For any western anime fan that was growing up in the 90s or early 2000's chances are the main stables of their viewing were Dragon Ball, Gundam Wing, Sailor Moon, Naruto, Bleach, etc depending on where they lived and what channels they had. While on the rental side of things Neon Genesis Evangelion was popular where I lived just because it was one of the few complete anime series you could actually find at a video rental store. Along with a few other rental staples like Slayers, Vampire Hunter D, Windaria, Bubble Gum Crisis, Vampire Princess Miyu, etc.

People tend to have fond memories of the first things they watched and enjoyed. Where I lived the big things were Gundam Wing, Sailor Moon, Samurai Pizza Cats and DBZ. Because that's what we got on YTV in Canada. While many of us saw our first "real" full anime series start to finish when we rented NGE from the local store.

So before you go making massive cultural assumptions based on what you think people watch you should try and find some actual data points to go by. >.>





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