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Post Reply Why do so many people hate the police?
Posted 8/28/15

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KarenAraragi wrote:

Dude this happen this year ?
Dude do you realize how stupid that sounds ? If you want an army of idiots who only know how to say yes. I think I just found the problem to the police. Idiots are in charge.


According to the article you posted, it happened in 1996. Am I missing something? The ruling that it was legal may have come down this year, but that doesn't mean the incident is fresh.
Additionally, being a bit above average is quite a bit different from being an "idiot". Even further, the guy was 46 so its not like he would have much in the way of advancement possibilities in front of him...

Again, I question how widespread it really is (or was) and it really does say very little about the rigorousness of police training


I can't seen to find the other one. Fuck. I meant they think like a hive mind. That what I meant by idiots. Listing I watch a video recently how a police officer shot a man in the head. Leaving a huge ass hole. For really stupid reasons. And them proceed to plant his taser on him. To claim he stole his taser. I kind mad a the moment to do this. anymore.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
I don't hate them but I do tell people to be careful cause any
situation where one person may think his life is on the line can
tend to get jumpy and things could "get out of hand"(you dead)
police or not they are not robots. Sh*& happens. Just stay away
from them if you can(legally of course).
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Posted 8/28/15

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It's funny how areas are different. Here it's 3-4 over under 25 mph, 5 over on roads 40+ and 10 over on the freeway are all fine to do and you won't get pulled over. Just how people drive 'round here. Freeway says 70 but it actually means 80 in the fast lane, at least here, hah.



True in Corpus or San Antonio even though the speed limit is posted you go the same speed everyone else is going. Been up to 85 in San Antonio.
Honestly I never seen a cop try to pull someone on the highway. The worse time I hate driving is the end of the month since if you do get pulled over more than likely you're leaving with a ticket.
My main problem is going between towns is nothing but desert so I tend zone out . Ever been on a road where you're the only vehicle for an hour or two and there's nothing to look at but rocks and sand?
Posted 8/28/15

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Generally, as I've observed, those who dislike the police the most are those most afraid of getting caught.


Irrelevant lol but funny. Ejanss san, you'd maybe observe those who's natural tendency is to take action and let it be known xD. It's kind of also true that the people who make noise generally don' give a toss about the actual situation but rather want to seem like they want to give a shit... i find.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
F*** the US Police. I've heard enough stories where cops steal, rape and murder. They get a paid vacation and rarely pay for their own crimes. The good officers are fired for turning in the bad cops. I'll stop hating them when they get their shit together. Please don't give me any BS about good cops, how about you tell the families of Aiyana Stanley-Jones, Eric Garner, John Crawford, Dillon Taylor, Samuel DuBose, Richard Ramirez how great the cops are. *rolls eyes*
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
I wouldn't say I hate the police, but I sure as hell don't trust them. Though I don't really trust anybody too much until they've proven they can be... A lot of it comes from the ridiculous number of times my mother was pulled over on her way home from work for no reason as well as the police departments general attitude and reputation where I grew up (Fresno, CA).

Back before Borders went out of business my mom was a supervisor at the local store and had to work closing shifts at least once a week, which meant she didn't get off work until after 1AM. Almost every single night she closed she would get pulled over for no reason other than for the cops to ask her what she was doing, "in this part of town," at night and the answer was always the same, "I live here." The stupid thing is, is that it was the same group of cops every single time and always in the same general area.

One time, I asked her to drive me to Gamestop to pick up a game I'd pre-ordered and we got pulled over outside our house so that the cop could ask us what we were doing, "in this neighborhood at this time of night," and even after demanding to see our ID's still didn't want to believe that we lived there.

Also, years back, one of my uncles (who had a drug problem at the time) was constantly harassed by the cops for a couple of years. He was on parole at the time, and one of the conditions of his parole was that he had to have a job, which he did, but his job (that he'd had for years) required him to work out of town which violated his parole. His parole officer knew about his job and what it entailed from the beginning, but refused to work with him about it for probably two years before he got reassigned to one who actually put some effort into his job.

Another incident, related to the above story, is one time when the cops showed up to "check on him," he ran. Which he obviously shouldn't have done, and I have no qualms with him being arrested for it, but that's just the beginning of the story. As he as running he hopped a fence and when one of the officers that was chasing him tried to hop the same fence he scratched his arm. His response was to use his nightstick to break my Uncle's wrist and adding on a charge of assaulting a police officer. I'll leave out the BS that went on when he was in jail with his wrist broken as I think that's probably a separate matter. For those wondering, the officer that broke his wrist was never punished for it since the only witnesses were the other officers and of course they aren't going to snitch on him.

The only way my Uncle was able to end the harassment was to give up and serve his full sentence in jail since they were bound and determined to arrest him as many times as possible for the same parole issues even after they'd gotten worked out. I have no issue with his original arrest (not that I can remember what it was for only that it was relatively minor), or with his arrest when he ran (minus the wrist breaking and added BS charges), but aside from the one incident, my Uncle wasn't the combative type or even the type to run. Every other time the police came around he would just calmly give in and let them do what they wanted. The man hates conflict and just wants things to stay peaceful.

For an example outside of my family, I remember one incident from a few years ago where the police tased(tasered?) an older, paraplegic man for defiance when they ordered him to get on the ground... the man was paralyzed from the waist down for crying out loud. I can't remember why the police were even out there and sadly Google isn't proving to be much help, though it is showing similar events, but I do remember that the man wasn't their original... I know "goal" is entirely the wrong word here, but I'm drawing a complete blank.

That said, I think a large part of your experience with, and opinion of, the police has to do with where you're from. As anyone who has lived in Fresno will (probably?) tell you, it's something of a hellhole. I'm not experienced/knowledgeable enough to make any comparisons to other towns/cities, or give too many examples outside of my very limited personal experiences (I'm a shut-in), but it has a lot of issues in terms of gang violence, drug use, pollution, corruption and so on. Obviously, the police are going to be on edge due to the amount and type of crime that happens, but it's still no excuse for them to treat people they way they do.

Maybe those of you who fully support and trust the police live somewhere with more respectable police officers, but where I'm from you can only trust them so much. My family and I were always respectful of them and didn't talk back to them, but that didn't mean we trusted them.

As far as what we tend to see in the media, social or otherwise, of course it's blown out of proportion, everything is! It's always about getting the highest ratings/most likes. That doesn't change the fact that the police, as a whole in this country, are becoming far more militarized and lack the proper training to handle things appropriately. Not to mention how many of them are on a constant power trip and need to undergo a proper psych eval. Then there's also the problem of the "rule" that police officers are never supposed to snitch on each other, for lack of a better term, and the few that are willing to report misbehavior are shunned for it not only from their fellow officers, but oftentimes their superiors as well.

I'll respect the police, both because they do a hard and oftentimes dangerous job and because it's simply the safest thing to do most of the time, but I'm sure as hell not going to trust any of them unless I get to know them on a more personal level first. There are good, trustworthy officers out there, but that doesn't mean we don't need to excise the cancerous ones and figure out how to identify them before they join the force.

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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

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F*** the US Police. I've heard enough stories where cops steal, rape and murder. They get a paid vacation and rarely pay for their own crimes. The good officers are fired for turning in the bad cops. I'll stop hating them when they get their shit together. Please don't give me any BS about good cops, how about you tell the families of Aiyana Stanley-Jones, Eric Garner, John Crawford, Dillon Taylor, Samuel DuBose, Richard Ramirez how great the cops are. *rolls eyes*

^This is what annoys me the most. Do i feel sorry for the people that lost a loved one? Of course, but you just mentioned a few bad occurences but yet you say nothing about how many people have been helped which is way more than the bad.

Maybe if the damn media showed more of the good they do rather than focus on always trying to demonize all police officers we'd be having a different discussion.

I've seen the good they do with my own two eyes rather than just hear stories yet do they get reported on? No. Why? Because the story won't even get a second glance unless it's a story of a bad one. That right there is where the money is at.

Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

ignitingmemories wrote:

hmmm lets see

cops shoots black guy in the back for running when you aren't suppose to shot someone in the back
cops slams teenage girl down
cop kills eric garner
cop kills treyvon
cop kills boston teen

Cop kills around 1000(reported) civilians in 2014 alone.

Hmmmm
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so can someone link a gang killing statistics for last few years vs cops? who has killed more?raped more, destroyed lives more? an actual statistics for each country showing actual data by population? who would you rather take your car a cop with a piece of paper or a gang member with a gun? Police are necessary in our society and to try and demonize them makes that person an ignorant failure who has never felt or seen the horrors of society(not that I have personally).
Even if an officer eventually commits a crime an average man can only deal with so much corruption before it taints him as well. There is no saint in our lives as all humans will fall to the level they are surrounded with. Should cops have constant evaluations and talks with psychs? yes.
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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
Look at it this way:

If you look at a cop and immediately have negative thoughts about the guy then you probably have the same attitude towards races/sexuality/religions and other things in general.

If you pick and choose I'd say that's just as bad, if not worse.
Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15

DarkKRasil wrote:

so can someone link a gang killing statistics for last few years vs cops? who has killed more?raped more, destroyed lives more? an actual statistics for each country showing actual data by population? who would you rather take your car a cop with a piece of paper or a gang member with a gun? Police are necessary in our society and to try and demonize them makes that person an ignorant failure who has never felt or seen the horrors of society(not that I have personally).
Even if an officer eventually commits a crime an average man can only deal with so much corruption before it taints him as well. There is no saint in our lives as all humans will fall to the level they are surrounded with. Should cops have constant evaluations and talks with psychs? yes.

Ok but gang members aren't a part of law enforcement & police are & that's why its a problem.

I thought they're here to serve & protect not search & destroy.


dotsforlife wrote:

Look at it this way:

If you look at a cop and immediately have negative thoughts about the guy then you probably have the same attitude towards races/sexuality/religions and other things in general.

If you pick and choose I'd say that's just as bad, if not worse.

Did someone really just say this

Its not negative thoughts on cops as a whole. Its cautiousness, nervousness, and fear because its like who knows what they'll do to you.
We have negative thoughts on how police forces/departments go about things.

We see how they abuse their power.
Stories about how police could pull you over for no reason & possibly kill or rape you.
Stories how police officers rape postitutes (or accused prostitutes).

Like...seriously.

There is a huge difference between having a negative view of cops & a negative view of races, religions & non-hetero folk.
Its really their power over us we're afraid of. And them possibly abusing their power, meant to actually help people but instead use it to hurt them sometimes, is why we'll see them negatively.

We see how police often get away with this shit too.
The least they do is like demoting them instead of putting them behind bars like all people who commit crimes should???
Posted 8/28/15
Police around here leave much to be desired. They are adept at arresting shoplifters, but ignore drug activity for the most part. Here they do their job when it's easy for them.
Posted 8/28/15


Gasp! You're back :D.

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Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/28/15
I hate pigs because of how they think they're high and mighty because they wear a badge. It's fine for them to speed, it's fine for them to ride someones bumper, they don't have to use their blinkers. But the minute YOU do any of those they'll pull you over and act like THEY'RE a saint.

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Posted 8/28/15

anzn wrote:

Cop kills around 1000(reported) civilians in 2014 alone.
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I thought they're here to serve & protect not search & destroy.


To be fair though, at least statisically speaking, if that is the number of civilians killed, it isn't a significant enough number if incidents to draw conclusions about the country's police force as a whole. The amount of sworn in officers numbers around an estimated 900,000. Even assuming, let's say, around 5 officers were involved in each incident, that would mean ~0.006% of the police force were directly involved. Like I said, not nearly enough for a mathematically validated conclusion. Now, I'm not condoning the killings in any way. Sure, most of the cases probably could have been settled in other ways and the officers involved should have received greater punishment. But, the numbers shouldn't be enough to classify the police force as some sort of murderous horde.
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