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Gun control is a mess especialy in many states where it's so easy to get a gun. Ugh the US has been a big mess for quite a while now. I'm pretty patriotic but sometimes i feel like maybe i should just move to Canada or maybe England, just somewhere else.

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Okay maybe not the most... But pretty damn close
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Personally, i think gun control on certain aspects could be made stronger, specially on restrictions placed on mental ill who should simply not own guns. However, the problem of gun control in the US is a little different. If you ask me, people have been using gun control as a fix all solution for all the violence problems we have instead of actually addressing the underlying problems. There was a really interesting article on CNN yesterday titled "The real issue behind on-air killings of journalists" that looked into this point.

Should there be stronger gun control and gun limitations/bans on people who are medically diagnosed with mental illness? definitely. The problem then becomes who decides what reasonable gun control measures are. For Colorado, reasonable gun control measure included magazine bans, which at the state level support was down the middle, yet the measure was past into law. That means around half of the people in Colorado did not believe that measure to be part of what the other half considered reasonable.

The reason gun control will not get anywhere in the US any time soon is fairly simple, neither side is really willing to actually sit down and figure out what a good middle ground is. Doing something like that would actually require both sides to compromise and sacrifice something. People are not willing to do that. Its much easier for people who dont use firearms to say, ban/restrict them, because it simply does not affect them. If you dont like guns, dont own guns, then any kind of gun control law can only have two effects. Either things remain the same, or they improve. Its always much easier to make someone else make the sacrifice for you, and you see the benefits than you making that sacrifice yourself.

However, if you are someone that has any connection to firearms, whether it is firing them at a gun range, collecting them, hunting or w/e, then you are actually making a sacrifice, you actually stand to lose something, you could be sacrificing something for no return. Unless you can show that things will improve, and that they are worth making the sacrifice, then things will never change.

The basic point is that as long as people on both sides are not willing to actually understand that both sides have their merit, and that one person's freedoms only extend as far as the next person's freedoms, then we are not going to get anywhere.
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I wonder what's going to happen when 3d printing gets really good and cheap. Then its going to be even easier to get a gun. I'm not against gun ownership, i just personally don't like guns. I think we do need better background checks and more restrictions on who can buy a gun.
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I believe in no gun control period. Anyone who cannot be trusted should not be free on the streets. Some people say "What about felons?" The corrections system is SUPPOSED to reform criminals. It doesn't always, but its supposed to. An overwhelming majority of felons are arrested for nonviolent crimes(typically drugs). If we waste less time incarcerating those "evil marijuana smokers" We could develop a prison system that truly reforms violent criminals. If a crime is victimless, it shouldn't be a crime. If a crime is not violent, it should be more fines, less imprisonment. Prison makes small timers into hardened criminals. Machine guns? Plenty of people own fully legal full autos here in the US. They don't commit crimes with them. Full auto is very inpractical for most criminal pursuits. I think we'd be better off if more criminals had machine guns. It's hard to hit stuff in full auto, and you run out of rounds crazy fast. Short barrel shotguns and rifles? I don't fucking get it. Saw your barrel down, become a felon. This is the most nonsensical. Here in NC they classify SBRs and SBSs as "weapons of mass death and destruction". Hardly true... Suppressors? In some countries, it's considered rude to shoot without a suppressor. Background checks? Again, if you cannot be trusted with a firearm, you cannot be trusted in society period. Registration leads to confiscation. CCW permits are as ridiculous as free speech zones, you don't need permission to exercise a right. Gun free zones- The constitution applies to the entirety of the United States, and includes government buildings, schools, and airports. I could tolerate a private property clause, but with how recent court interpretations have went (the whole christian bakers vs gay couple thing) it would appear that "public" business would have to allow firearms, but you could request that people disarm before coming onto your own private property. As for mental illness, the term is ultra broad, and most people with mental illnesses are still perfectly capable of responsible firearm ownership. The ones who are incapable should be either institutionalized if they are dangerous, or be under watch by a responsible parent/nurse/family member.

(TLDR) So essentially, any free competent adult should have free reign on how they wish to exercise their inalienable right to bear arms. Also, switchblades and such are arms too, NC! Dammit...

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I would like stricter gun control laws as well as a ban on assault rifles and extended magazines.

Why?

Assault rifles: The purpose of these is to kill humans. The rounds, once entering a human body will tumble to cause maximum damage to internal organs. This makes it useless to hunt with, as you will ruin the meat.

Extended Magazines: Simple. You can carry 3 extended mags in a mass shooting, but carrying 20 normal mags is quite a bit harder.

Also, I agree, stricter background checks. It is too damn easy to get a gun at this point. I could take a class, get a license within a week then go to the nearest elementary school and make a name for myself. I don't like how easy to do that is.

Edit: Take a look at this link. Then look at the gun control laws in each of these places. http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Homicide-Rates-for-Developed-Countries-OECD-2011-or-latest-year.png
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bob132789 wrote:

I wonder what's going to happen when 3d printing gets really good and cheap. Then its going to be even easier to get a gun. I'm not against gun ownership, i just personally don't like guns. I think we do need better background checks and more restrictions on who can buy a gun.


3D printed guns are not the threat people like to make them out to be, the plastic polymer used by 3D printers does not stand up well to heat or high pressure. When firing a bullet, the gun is subjected to both and would have a high degree of failure. You would probably be better off making a home made gun like many people have been doing for years already.
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Dark_Alma wrote:

I would like stricter gun control laws as well as a ban on assault rifles and extended magazines.

Why?

Assault rifles: The purpose of these is to kill humans. The rounds, once entering a human body will tumble to cause maximum damage to internal organs. This makes it useless to hunt with, as you will ruin the meat.

Extended Magazines: Simple. You can carry 3 extended mags in a mass shooting, but carrying 20 normal mags is quite a bit harder.

Also, I agree, stricter background checks. It is too damn easy to get a gun at this point. I could take a class, get a license within a week then go to the nearest elementary school and make a name for myself. I don't like how easy to do that is.


With your "Assault rifles" section; AR15s (which I assume is part of what you mean) are great for hunting. Tumbling depends on the bullets. A FMJ .223 will tumble, while a good Soft Point .223 will expand, and ruin a tasty deer's day pretty quick with out jacking up the meat. It sounds like your problem is with the ammunition. Now a 5.45, that sucker will tumble! And while it's not pretty and PC, indeed, guns are often for killing. But of course, cops have guns. And soldiers. The second amendment isn't about hunting or sport. The second amendment is about killing criminals and tyrants.
Reid puts it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6RGBBFf870
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billytheboy wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

I would like stricter gun control laws as well as a ban on assault rifles and extended magazines.

Why?

Assault rifles: The purpose of these is to kill humans. The rounds, once entering a human body will tumble to cause maximum damage to internal organs. This makes it useless to hunt with, as you will ruin the meat.

Extended Magazines: Simple. You can carry 3 extended mags in a mass shooting, but carrying 20 normal mags is quite a bit harder.

Also, I agree, stricter background checks. It is too damn easy to get a gun at this point. I could take a class, get a license within a week then go to the nearest elementary school and make a name for myself. I don't like how easy to do that is.


With your "Assault rifles" section; AR15s (which I assume is part of what you mean) are great for hunting. Tumbling depends on the bullets. A FMJ .223 will tumble, while a good Soft Point .223 will expand, and ruin a tasty deer's day pretty quick with out jacking up the meat. It sounds like your problem is with the ammunition. Now a 5.45, that sucker will tumble! And while it's not pretty and PC, indeed, guns are often for killing. But of course, cops have guns. And soldiers. The second amendment isn't about hunting or sport. The second amendment is about killing criminals and tyrants.
Reid puts it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6RGBBFf870


AR 15 is not one. Here is what I am talking about when I say AR's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Edit: And before you say "they are illegal" I got dragged to a gun show and I saw many illegal fire arms. No one even cares in the US.
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quikbeam wrote:


bob132789 wrote:

I wonder what's going to happen when 3d printing gets really good and cheap. Then its going to be even easier to get a gun. I'm not against gun ownership, i just personally don't like guns. I think we do need better background checks and more restrictions on who can buy a gun.


3D printed guns are not the threat people like to make them out to be, the plastic polymer used by 3D printers does not stand up well to heat or high pressure. When firing a bullet, the gun is subjected to both and would have a high degree of failure. You would probably be better off making a home made gun like many people have been doing for years already.


People have made 3d printed guns that last a while. Different polymers could be used. Metal guns will always be more reliable and last longer, but someone could do a lot of damage even if they only had one clip. I'm sure the government will find a way to regulate it though.
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Dark_Alma wrote:


billytheboy wrote:


Dark_Alma wrote:

I would like stricter gun control laws as well as a ban on assault rifles and extended magazines.

Why?

Assault rifles: The purpose of these is to kill humans. The rounds, once entering a human body will tumble to cause maximum damage to internal organs. This makes it useless to hunt with, as you will ruin the meat.

Extended Magazines: Simple. You can carry 3 extended mags in a mass shooting, but carrying 20 normal mags is quite a bit harder.

Also, I agree, stricter background checks. It is too damn easy to get a gun at this point. I could take a class, get a license within a week then go to the nearest elementary school and make a name for myself. I don't like how easy to do that is.


With your "Assault rifles" section; AR15s (which I assume is part of what you mean) are great for hunting. Tumbling depends on the bullets. A FMJ .223 will tumble, while a good Soft Point .223 will expand, and ruin a tasty deer's day pretty quick with out jacking up the meat. It sounds like your problem is with the ammunition. Now a 5.45, that sucker will tumble! And while it's not pretty and PC, indeed, guns are often for killing. But of course, cops have guns. And soldiers. The second amendment isn't about hunting or sport. The second amendment is about killing criminals and tyrants.
Reid puts it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6RGBBFf870


AR 15 is not one. Here is what I am talking about when I say AR's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Edit: And before you say "they are illegal" I got dragged to a gun show and I saw many illegal fire arms. No one even cares in the US.


Alrighty! So you mean true Automatic Assault rifles? Sorry for the mix up, every damn newscaster calls any black rifle an "Assault rifle". As for legit full autos, the thing about tumbling still applies, it depends on the type of ammunition. Currently, the only legal full autos are the ones that where manufactured and registered before the ban. They cost a ton, and are never used in crime. Typically they are safe queens... As for your gunshow experience, if they weren't pre-ban, they more and likely where semi auto versions of the original "assault rifles". I don't want to try and say you don't know what you're talking about, as I obviously wasn't there, but I go to every gun show I can, and have never seen any Illegal firearms for sale. It's very easy to confuse prebans and semi autos with legit modern machine guns. If they were legit Post-ban autos... Dude, drag me to the gun show!
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I think Joe Rogan said it best when he said "We have a mental health problem disguised as a gun-control problem." The problem is the people who advocate for gun-control dont usually have much knowledge about guns. They think people can go out and buy fully automatic light machine guns with 100 plus round clips and it be legal. The fact i most gun related homicides are committed using hand guns and are committed by criminals. Taking away joe shmoes semi-auto ar-15 isnt going to stop violent crime.
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Personally i'm against feel good policies that accomplish nothing. Every time there's a shooting politicians are so quick to call for more bans look to the inner cities to see how that is working out. The main problem in every mass shooting seems to mental health but politicians refuse to touch that for fear of being called "anti-against mentally people" , the few who do call for more mental health services their words are drowned out by all the anti-gun people.

Lets look where most of these shootings occur schools, movie theaters, places where ordinary people are not allowed to bring guns legally. Since I support business owners rights to run their business the way they want to Having said that that if they feel the need to ban law abiding people from visiting their businesses with concealed carry then the business owners are responsible for taking security into consideration.

When I was younger I worked at a Mexican restaurant that was in the Barrio "poor neighborhood mainly made up of Hispanics" the owner had a sign banning all guns but what the owner had was 2 people she paid during the day and 3 people she paid during the night that were armed and highly visible. I'm thankful for those guys since the place was next to two nightclubs and we have to deal with drunks at all hours of the day and night. Yup we were opened 24 hrs. If someone got out of hand they did one of 2 things either physically throw them out or hold them down and use zip ties and call the cops to haul them off.

For schools many shootings could have been prevented by having 2 simple things. Metal detectors by the entrances and having some security guards patrolling. I would also point out that many of these idiots posted on social sites what they were planning and nobody reports them
Look at what almost happened at the World Pokemon Championship but these idiots posted what their plans were and good people reported them to the right authorities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs4avfA7NCM

People who go through the trouble of getting a concealed carry are generally good people look at the stats for TX. I would encourage everyone to look up the stats for their states.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2013.pdf
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2012.pdf
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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


The simple solution no really this is it.

Based on a reading of the Second amendment you will note it states a well regulated militia. This is for two reason first the founders didn't want a standing army and second it was easier for the states to control this at the time. So let's go back to that.

All persons upon reaching the age of 18 who wish to own a firearm will be sworn into the state militia at which point in time they will be subject to a background check and be required by law to provide either a trigger lock or a gun safe for their weapon. If they do not wish to do this storage will be provided by the state.

They will be require once every three months to muster for weapons inspections to confirm that they are compiling with the law and are in shape to perform their sworn duties.

They will be required every six months to muster and qualify with their firearm.

During times of crisis they will be called upon to provide aid and protection to the citizens of their state.

During times of war as declared by congress they will provide for the defense of the nation.

These weapons maybe used for hunting during time posted by their states.

You want to own a firearm do you civic duty and serve the state and the nation. Yes militias are designed to serve the state not your own personal desire to thumb your nose at the government. So that would fix the problem right there since the Court has already state we can regulate firearms.

Oh to own a firearm and not be part of the militia would be a gross misdemeanor and punishable with six months in prison.

Also the whole "but gun laws wont stop gun crime" this is a specious argument no law stops 100% of the crime that it is intended to stop it is there so that if the crime is committed you have the means by which to punish the person committing the crime. With your logic we should do away with all laws that deal with crime since none of them actually stop the crime if someone is really going to do it.
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What I wonder is what law would have prevented these shootings that isn't already on the books? Simply passing more laws does nothing instead enforce the current laws on the books.
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