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Today, a Houston Cop was shot while filling up his car. Shot repeatedly from behind for no reason to boot. Funnily enough, people are cheering this on in Social Media. When has the hatred gone far enough, when innocent lives are slayed for the uniform they wear?!

http://abc13.com/news/hcso-deputy-fatally-shot-at-gas-station-in-nw-harris-county/961336/

This is what the blatant hatred of cops leave to. As people are cheered on for slaying a cop, it will happen more and more. Revel in what the human emotion of hatred brings.
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I like how a thread like this always shows up right after another one explaing why cops are viewed negatively in order to make people feel pity for them.

"They're human too."
So are the civilians that get killed by them.
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There is a difference, Ashlee. Those people were violent. This cop was filling up his car.

Is filling up a car violent?
Posted 8/28/15 , edited 8/29/15

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There is a difference, Ashlee. Those people were violent. This cop was filling up his car.

Is filling up a car violent?

(Its spelled Ashley)
Replace cops with black folk.

People can feel like this & morn for a cops death but not black folk? Or any innocent person who lost their life due to police?
And then also try so hard to justify their murder too?
That imo is more dehumanizing than thinking all cops are bad & evil or w/e then leading to something like this.

Obviously, this is unfortunate & tragic. Family members &.friends will be devastated.

People react the same way whenever people get their lives lost due to police, people who are supposed to protect them.

The reason why people react negatively to police killing innocent civilians is because, well, for one they aren't suppose to do that, unless told to for special reasons.
Two, these guys often walk free, living a normal life & guilt-free when instead they should be locked up behind bars like every person who kills someone should??

Cop or not, whoever kills just to kill, or breaks the law, should be behind bars.
Not walking free on the streets.
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Issue here is... It is being cheered on. That doesn't happen with the blacks. They riot, hurt people, steal, pillage to 'make awareness'. It sure does... wrong kind of awareness though.

You will see that wont happen with this, though. People will just brush it off as "occupational hazard." I have seen so many innocent cops killed, and have yet to even see it breach CNN. It makes me sad. Apparently cop lives are not even worth the daily news on CNN.

I can see why Nexene is angry. There is NO reason to cheer on a death of anyone. The blacks who were killed were martyrs... the cop was just due cause. Is really is saddening. Are the lives worth so little as soon as they put on the Uniform? It seems to be so.

And you have the right to be angry with blacks being killed. What about all the whites though? More of them are killed than Blacks per year. I never see any of them on the news. What about Asians, Mexicans? I haven't seen much of any of those either... and they happen as well. Sure, a black getting killed is sad. What about everyone else? Does skin color mean your life is worth more, less than others?

I know 3 cops who have died from shootings in the last few months. They made it onto the local paper. That was it. A black gets killed... it hits the entire world. Can I at least hear when someone other than a black gets killed? What about the outrage for Zachary Hammond? Rubén García Villalpando?
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Human love the misery of others. Why are you even surprise a that reality ?
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Yeah it's sickening that people would cheer on the death of a person that they don't even know. Many minorities complain how they are racially profiled and generalized yet they do the same not only to each other but also Police Officers because of a few bad ones and make them out to be some kind of demons. It's just sad and pathetic.
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Issue here is... It is being cheered on. That doesn't happen with the blacks. They riot, hurt people, steal, pillage to 'make awareness'. It sure does... wrong kind of awareness though.

You will see that wont happen with this, though. People will just brush it off as "occupational hazard." I have seen so many innocent cops killed, and have yet to even see it breach CNN. It makes me sad. Apparently cop lives are not even worth the daily news on CNN.

I can see why Nexene is angry. There is NO reason to cheer on a death of anyone. The blacks who were killed were martyrs... the cop was just due cause. Is really is saddening. Are the lives worth so little as soon as they put on the Uniform? It seems to be so.

And you have the right to be angry with blacks being killed. What about all the whites though? More of them are killed than Blacks per year. I never see any of them on the news. What about Asians, Mexicans? I haven't seen much of any of those either... and they happen as well. Sure, a black getting killed is sad. What about everyone else? Does skin color mean your life is worth more, less than others?

I know 3 cops who have died from shootings in the last few months. They made it onto the local paper. That was it. A black gets killed... it hits the entire world. Can I at least hear when someone other than a black gets killed? What about the outrage for Zachary Hammond? Rubén García Villalpando?



"That doesn't happen with the blacks. They riot, hurt people, steal, pillage..." You are grouping a whole people together based on their skin color, be careful with that. The difference between the two is that cops are in a position of power, and if you don't think that those in power should be held to stricter standards, then yes, there is definitely a problem. If you desire transparency in government, you cannot possibly say that every offense as major as the killing of a civilian by a police officer, every abuse of power being televised on tv is not a good thing.

Paraphrased: "More whites are being killed than blacks every year. Why am I not hearing about them?"
You are though. Hell just yesterday we had Alison Parker and Adam Ward. You ARE hearing about them. In fact, they are on the news so frequently that you just tune them out. Unfortunately, based on what you said, whenever you see a person of color on the tv you imply you end up thinking to some extent, 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're not white?'

And when it comes to the outrage over not seeing news about cops being killed: hell, I just searched keywords 'killed cnn' and three different articles came up on the first page about cop deaths. Turns out they are not only being shown, but pretty easily found first page results as well.
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Issue here is... It is being cheered on. That doesn't happen with the blacks. They riot, hurt people, steal, pillage to 'make awareness'. It sure does... wrong kind of awareness though.

You will see that wont happen with this, though. People will just brush it off as "occupational hazard." I have seen so many innocent cops killed, and have yet to even see it breach CNN. It makes me sad. Apparently cop lives are not even worth the daily news on CNN.

I can see why Nexene is angry. There is NO reason to cheer on a death of anyone. The blacks who were killed were martyrs... the cop was just due cause. Is really is saddening. Are the lives worth so little as soon as they put on the Uniform? It seems to be so.

And you have the right to be angry with blacks being killed. What about all the whites though? More of them are killed than Blacks per year. I never see any of them on the news. What about Asians, Mexicans? I haven't seen much of any of those either... and they happen as well. Sure, a black getting killed is sad. What about everyone else? Does skin color mean your life is worth more, less than others?

I know 3 cops who have died from shootings in the last few months. They made it onto the local paper. That was it. A black gets killed... it hits the entire world. Can I at least hear when someone other than a black gets killed? What about the outrage for Zachary Hammond? Rubén García Villalpando?

People literally do the same with minorities anyway & what's even worse is they dehumanize them to justify their murder.

And they don't do all of that. Riots every now & then but not steal???
If you actually looked into this stuff, the communities like in Ferguson & Baltimore try to prevent these & also clean up from it.
Of course, news won't tell you that.

In Baltimore the Bloods & Crips called a truce to help out with the cleaning & looking out the stores for thieves.
Of course, news won't tell you that.

Several times on the spot where Michael Brown died, people put would put gifts there. But the police would burn it every time. (By the way, there was literal photos of them doing it too & them just looking at the memorial/gifts burn)
Of course, news won't tell you that.

Just because cop deaths don't make it on the news doesn't mean its being swept under the rug or anything.
They are investigating their murders seriously, I assure you.

I could say the same thing about this cop being killed. What if he was bad? What if he was in a gang? Smoked weed once? Was part of the KKK?

Cops being killed is part of the job.
They should expect it coming especially in uniform.

However, black folk, innocent civilians, do not. They didn't even choose to live a life of danger. But they do just because of the color of their skin. And are occasionally treated like dirt, and media trying so hard to justify their deaths.
Until another black person does it.
Those are unjustifiable because all blacks are violent, kill everyone & each other & rape our precious white women!!!!

What should make your life worth something is the fact that you are a living & breathing human being.
Not that the fact you're black, white, Mexican, Asian, Hispanic, Native, wearing a police uniform, wearing a hoodie, putting up gang symbols, mentally ill, trans, gay...the list goes on.

You know why we hear a lot of black folk getting killed?
Because black folk are very determined in having their rights, equal rights, human rights.
Black folk are amazing & never full or any credit they deserve for things they do. They've been pushed down for so long, yet still are going strong, still striving for their rights, and a better place.
I admire a lot of them so much, but I don't think I'll ever be nearly as great & strong like the ones we hear of.
Malcolm X, MLK, Rosa Parks, Obama, Larvene Cox, Opera, Harriet Tubman...the list goes on.

Not that other races of people don't do that as well. I admire a lot of them for never giving up even after being pushed down a lot & for so long as well. I can't really exactly speak for them though, but raise their voices once I hear them.

Anyway, I know a lot of other minorities killed by law enforcement are often swepted under the rug than they really deserve to be.
So many Natives, Asians, Mexicans get killed here & we literally never know at least their names. I know a lot of SRAs try hard to raise awareness at the least, but that's hard to do when everyone doesn't work together to do so or possible give up you know?
The black community in my opinion is pretty good with that, coming together to help each other.

The best we can do right now really is try hard to prevent more police from killing innocent civilians, & make sure they're behind bars.
Which, all of us can do actually (assuming you have a phone/video camera) is film them, spread the word via social media, and make sure its heard.

Whoa I wrote a lot.
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"That doesn't happen with the blacks. They riot, hurt people, steal, pillage..." You are grouping a whole people together based on their skin color, be careful with that. The difference between the two is that cops are in a position of power, and if you don't think that those in power should be held to stricter standards, then yes, there is definitely a problem. If you desire transparency in government, you cannot possibly say that you want every offense as major as the killing of a civilian by a police officer, every abuse of power, being televised on tv is not a good thing.

Paraphrased: "More whites are being killed than blacks every year. Why am I not hearing about them?"
You are hearing about them. Hell just yesterday we had Alison Parker and Adam Ward. You ARE hearing about them. In fact, they are on the news so frequently that you just tune them out. Unfortunately, based on what you said, whenever you see a person of color on the tv you imply you end up thinking to some extent, 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're not white?'

And when it comes to the outrage over not seeing news about cops being killed: hell, I just searched keywords 'killed cnn' and three different articles came up on the first page about cop deaths. Turns out they are not only being shown, but pretty easily found first page results as well.


I am talking about TV though. Most Americans I am aware of get their news from the TV. I do read CNN online, and I do see them on the Internet. I am the only one I talk to who does, however. TV in the American culture is over the "oldspaper", online reading and radio. Hell... Americans hate reading in general!

Also, your right, I did group the blacks and I could have worded it more carefully. You cant deny, though, that they have been the worse of the races when it comes to riots. Of all the main riots involving police in the last 2 years, all were over a black, with the majority of rioters being blacks as well. The other ones were pretty much angry college students.

As for 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're not white?' You assumed there. It would be more like 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're (insert all races other than black here)?' I am not a white lives > all, Mexican lives > all... etc. I do notice a bias in America that does not exist in Europe. News in Europe is generally more broad and all things are covered (I can say that for Germany and the Scandinavian countries for sure, and from friends, France, Spain and Italy as well). I think all lives deserve equal cover. Not just one race. A lost life is a tragedy.. unless they called for it. By this I mean murderers and so on and so fourth.

Also, why I brought up more whites than blacks killed isn't because I like whites more. Not many Asians get murdered, and I cant find a solid statistic on Mexicans. Many due to illegal immigration. Hard to document what 'doesn't' exist.



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Dark_Alma wrote:

There is a difference, Ashlee. Those people were violent. This cop was filling up his car.

Is filling up a car violent?

(Its spelled Ashley)
Replace cops with black folk.

People can feel like this & morn for a cops death but not black folk? Or any innocent person who lost their life due to police?
And then also try so hard to justify their murder too?
That imo is more dehumanizing than thinking all cops are bad & evil or w/e then leading to something like this.

Obviously, this is unfortunate & tragic. Family members &.friends will be devastated.

People react the same way whenever people get their lives lost due to police, people who are supposed to protect them.

The reason why people react negatively to police killing innocent civilians is because, well, for one they aren't suppose to do that, unless told to for special reasons.
Two, these guys often walk free, living a normal life & guilt-free when instead they should be locked up behind bars like every person who kills someone should??

Cop or not, whoever kills just to kill, or breaks the law, should be behind bars.
Not walking free on the streets.


So true.
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I am talking about TV though. Most Americans I am aware of get their news from the TV. I do read CNN online, and I do see them on the Internet. I am the only one I talk to who does, however. TV in the American culture is over the "oldspaper", online reading and radio. Hell... Americans hate reading in general!

Also, your right, I did group the blacks and I could have worded it more carefully. You cant deny, though, that they have been the worse of the races when it comes to riots. Of all the main riots involving police in the last 2 years, all were over a black, with the majority of rioters being blacks as well. The other ones were pretty much angry college students.

As for 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're not white?' You assumed there. It would be more like 'why am I hearing about this person when there are so many others who deserve it as well? Is it because they're (insert all races other than black here)?' I am not a white lives > all, Mexican lives > all... etc. I do notice a bias in America that does not exist in Europe. News in Europe is generally more broad and all things are covered (I can say that for Germany and the Scandinavian countries for sure, and from friends, France, Spain and Italy as well). I think all lives deserve equal cover. Not just one race. A lost life is a tragedy.. unless they called for it. By this I mean murderers and so on and so fourth.

Also, why I brought up more whites than blacks killed isn't because I like whites more. Not many Asians get murdered, and I cant find a solid statistic on Mexicans. Many due to illegal immigration. Hard to document what 'doesn't' exist.






CNN is on pretty consistently in our break room, and I am fairly certain I've seen at least a few different stories come up in the past week involving cop deaths. Perhaps it's a timing thing? I will say that I do think the media is very shitty when it comes to attempting to push viewers into opposing viewpoints. It's the same thing as clickbait: divide the people enough and you'll see a spike in ratings from both those who agree and who disagree. It's a terrible practice and I loathe it. The US has a big problem with seeing things as (literally in this case) black and white. Mainly due to the media, there isn't really a middle ground on any 'controversial' topic.

I do apologize for the assumption, it was based off of an implication which was an unfortunate by-product of the wording. But I don't see it as the news needing to tell fewer stories of murders of black citizens, as much as the need to tell more actual news in general. Any high profile murder, regardless of race, should be televised. I wholeheartedly agree with that statement. That being said, there are many, many parts of the country where others are perceived as lazy, argumentative, or otherwise deserving of any injustice done by police instantly upon seeing the picture. A few of my coworkers do it, and it's disturbing. Racial bias, when not overt (much in america isn't) still heavily manifests itself through these 'imposed' traits.

I do appreciate, your ability to remain rational and have a civilized discussion on the internet. Doesn't happen often. If I ever see you, remind me I owe you a draft.
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I try to watch CNN every day from 10-12. I usually have it running on the background so I can keep up with what is going on around the world. It may be timing, as you stated. Also, clickbait does rule the USA! I can agree with you 100% there.

As for the fact, cops have been racist, I can not argue that. However, there are so many killings (just and unjust) that go unheard, it saddens me a fair bit. Being a cop isn't easy... and the hatred you get from it is saddening. It reminds me of the soldiers that came back from Vietnam. Their welcome was protests and getting spit at, murdered, etc. My Grandfather was a General during that war. I made the mistake of asking him once and... It was bad. My dad made me study the war for weeks on end to know what taboo I just broke.

I had a families friend who was a cop commit suicide from the stress and the way people treated him. I still miss him. He was a fun, if not as socially awkward as me, man. I have seen enough death in my life to know what a human life is valued at. It makes me sad when so many are brushed off. I guess death comes with the tag of a family of officers in the military!

If I ever see you, the first draft is on you, then I will treat you to one of my own! Glad to see your rational too!
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Who cares what's happening on social media?Remember what a really small cross section of the population demographic it actually represents if any.. Most of the emotions and opinions expressed on social media are for effect and theatrics and have little validity as a litmus test for what people really believe.
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Neither the police nor the normal public should play judge. Just leave the punishing to the judges.
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