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September 1 and teen suicide in Japan
Posted 9/1/15 , edited 9/2/15

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Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


How does suicide in any way make someone weak? When you're suicidal, you're not in your right mind. I'm not just saying that figuratively; 90% of people who die by suicide have some sort of mental illness. Many people attempt suicide because they think the world would be better off without them, while others legitimately believe that it's their only way out (e.g "it's gonna be like this until I die, so I might as well just do it now").

Don't you dare call people who attempt suicide weak or unworthy of respect.


They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.
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I don't like the thought of suicide, in my opinion it's a selfish thing to do because you're putting family and friends through so much pain. Suicide is not the answer but neither is saying nothing. If people just learned to be more open then there wouldn't be this problem?

Assisting suicide is a crime...a more severe punishment is much needed. The next generation shouldn't have to hear about suicide...to them it's just a game.

I hope the ghost of these students are haunting the bullies and they get punished for their crime
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kids dont know any betteer. they are dumb and full of hormones and do things like that because it's part of human nature. eventually societal pressures manage to stomp that fire out, but weak things typically get picked on because they allow it, and it's fun and entertaining for everyone involved to abuse weak people. in grade schools, the concept of morals and conscience isn't so deeply ingrained yet, so everyone has a good time abusing the weakling. it's unfortunate, and nobody deserves to be treated like that, but its simply how humans operate at an age where right and wrong isnt so clearly defined. humans are animals too, and this is what animals like to do.
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Posted 9/1/15 , edited 9/1/15

Urboistar wrote:

Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


I think if you were thrown into a POW camp for a few years you would be begging for death by the end.
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Posted 9/1/15 , edited 9/2/15

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Urboistar wrote:

Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


How does suicide in any way make someone weak? When you're suicidal, you're not in your right mind. I'm not just saying that figuratively; 90% of people who die by suicide have some sort of mental illness. Many people attempt suicide because they think the world would be better off without them, while others legitimately believe that it's their only way out (e.g "it's gonna be like this until I die, so I might as well just do it now").

Don't you dare call people who attempt suicide weak or unworthy of respect.


They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.



I have to agree with you. I was bullied but I was also strong, so there should be no excuse for someone to selfishly take their life and get no respect out of it. If kids "grow a pair" then we wouldn't have to sit here feeling sorry to you get the point where you hear it too much and you just think "oh, another?".

If you can't survive being bullied what makes you think you can survive in the real world.

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I was bullied for a couple years in middle and high school by a few people. That is until I fought back against one of them and everyone kept clear of me after that. No one wants to bully someone who is willing to fight back. Like at first before it was physical, they just name called and I got called things such as "fat" or "nerd" or "weirdo", etc. When people called me fat, I just replied with "No shit! I never knew, what else do you have to say?"

Edit: My point is that bullies typically have a very low range of things to use against you. If you huddle in a shell they will know what they did works on you, if you respond back to them they will be speechless not knowing what to do next to make their lackeys laugh.
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Posted 9/1/15 , edited 9/2/15

Urboistar wrote:


gayrell wrote:


Urboistar wrote:

Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


How does suicide in any way make someone weak? When you're suicidal, you're not in your right mind. I'm not just saying that figuratively; 90% of people who die by suicide have some sort of mental illness. Many people attempt suicide because they think the world would be better off without them, while others legitimately believe that it's their only way out (e.g "it's gonna be like this until I die, so I might as well just do it now").

Don't you dare call people who attempt suicide weak or unworthy of respect.


They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.


While you have a valid point....the kid's mental state should have never gotten to the point where suicide was their only option. Depression can be a temporary and even a natural occurrence in teens/young adults. I think that's where the 90% is coming from. You don't have to have a mental illness to be backed into a corner. Suicide isn't necessarily caused because the person feels unnecessary or uncared for. It's about being backed into a corner with no way out. It's drowning and choking on the very air and atmosphere you breathe. It's all of your responsibilities and fears being amplified tenfold. Sometimes it's just about making it stop. Sometimes, the person doesn't want to actually commit suicide. They just want a break, and they were stupid enough to do something that might kill them so that they could get that break.

I find it sad whenever I hear about a suicide. To be put in that kind of situation...no matter what it was for that person...I couldn't imagine what was going on in their heads. It may be cowardly. But it does take courage to end it. I couldn't do it. I'm too afraid and stubborn to end my life.

The only time where it is completely cowardly and I condemn the person, is when they decide to take other lives with them. Like that airline pilot who killed all those people by flying straight into a mountain. That is not a depressed person, or someone with suicidal tendencies. That is a mass murderer.
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The girl in the video was being bullies by boys too. You also have the teacher, who when involved, choose to believe the leader of the bullies over the girl. She suggests that Japan has a problem with "collective thinking" . I'm guessing this means someone becomes the punching bag whether they like it or not just so the other students continue maintaining this "collective thinking" base. That would mean it's almost impossible to escape.

I can assume from this that the kids in Japan getting bullied might be stronger for their role which is unfairly handed to them. Doesn't matter how it started off.

So, It would take showing kids from their time in kindergarten, individually, how it feels to be discriminated against in order to teach them empathy. This could then reduce this bullying problem because to me, it's mostly being made worse by those kids who just watch or don't take the side of the students getting wrongly bullied. One or two people on your side can make all the difference.

Fortunately, the girl did not commit suicide because her mother was understanding and supported her decision to stay at home.
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Japan has historically been a society which shuns both social nonconformity and mental illness, and so those who are victims of bullying, stress/anxiety, and/or mental illness don't necessarily have the benefit of the resources one might assume they would. We are talking about a society which is currently facing a serious problem with social anxiety, depression, and panic disorder, and here's where things get really fun: even those youths who try to make the best of a bad situation (having dropped out of school and now working multiple part-time positions, for instance) are met with social stigma. People work so much in Japan that many are giving up on romances, which is what partially underlies the success of dating simulation games and is part of why you see people taking photographs of themselves with their waifus in various locations. Even among those that don't there are legitimate medical concerns from overwork to be addressed.

If you think this thing is divorced from Japanese cultural values, the labour market, and common Japanese perceptions of the impact mental illness, anxiety/depression, or social awkwardness have on familial and individual reputations, then I'm afraid I must disagree wholeheartedly. In my estimation it's not that Japanse kids are soft, selfish, or impulsive. It's that Japan has a lot of cultural soul searching and institutional modification to do.
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Posted 9/1/15

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Urboistar wrote:


gayrell wrote:


Urboistar wrote:

Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


How does suicide in any way make someone weak? When you're suicidal, you're not in your right mind. I'm not just saying that figuratively; 90% of people who die by suicide have some sort of mental illness. Many people attempt suicide because they think the world would be better off without them, while others legitimately believe that it's their only way out (e.g "it's gonna be like this until I die, so I might as well just do it now").

Don't you dare call people who attempt suicide weak or unworthy of respect.


They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.



I have to agree with you. I was bullied but I was also strong, so there should be no excuse for someone to selfishly take their life and get no respect out of it. If kids "grow a pair" then we wouldn't have to sit here feeling sorry to you get the point where you hear it too much and you just think "oh, another?".

If you can't survive being bullied what makes you think you can survive in the real world.



So what it not possible that these students haven't been bullied worse then you, don't get me wrong suicide is never the answer and I was also bullied but I have heard stories where the bullying were so harsh and their home life was so bad that it would break a normal psyche.


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They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.



I have to agree with you. I was bullied but I was also strong, so there should be no excuse for someone to selfishly take their life and get no respect out of it. If kids "grow a pair" then we wouldn't have to sit here feeling sorry to you get the point where you hear it too much and you just think "oh, another?".

If you can't survive being bullied what makes you think you can survive in the real world.


Congratulations, I'm glad you were able to overcome being bullied. I'm not being sarcastic; I know from experience how hard that can be.

But for some people, it's not that easy. Not everyone has a friend they can talk to (especially if they're being bullied, go figure). Not everyone has a guidance counselor at school who is equipped to deal with mental health issues. Not everyone has supportive parents, or the money to pay for therapy, etc. Get the idea? So don't act like it's something that everyone can fix by talking to someone.

I'll say it again: If you're seriously considering suicide, you are not thinking the way a mentally healthy person would. You don't need to have clinical depression to be depressed. Fun fact: if left untreated, this can still spiral into clinical depression! And judging by Japan's mental health statistics (only 1-in-4 people seek treatment), I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you've got a lot of people with disordered thinking. Point is, mental illness isn't a binary, it's a spectrum, so don't even try to say that some people are more justified in their suicide attempts than others. And, just so we're clear, being depressed does not mean you're weak!!!

But in the end, I think the most important point to make is that people's decisions are theirs to make. Not yours. Not their parents' (even when you're a minor, you're still an autonomous being). Not their friends'. I'd argue that it's more selfish to insist that someone who's clearly suffering so much that they believe suicide is the best option continues to live just because you'd miss them if they were gone. If your only justification for calling it selfish is, "it hurts other people," so what? We hurt people all the time (wow, it's almost like we were just talking about this!), so why do we give some things a pass, but not others? By all means, suicide prevention is important, and we absolutely should create awareness for it. If you are contemplating suicide, please, seek help if you're able. If a loved one is acting strangely (for them, not by social standards), talk to them or someone you trust about it. Suicide should only be considered as a last resort, if at all. But the point remains: they are their own persons, and if they're determined to go through with it, they will, no matter what you do to stop them. It's selfish to think you can control other people.
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"Don't judge a person until you have walked a mile in their shoes”

We need to be more compassionate instead of calling kids who commit suicide weak and selfish. We don't know what they went through, we don't know their lives and we don't know at what extend they were bullied. It's also a different culture so what works for you may not work for them.

I do feel sorry for everyone who goes through this, I have never been bullied but I have seen others being bullied and I can only imagine waking up everyday waiting for someone to torment you. It's not easy, especially if they have no parental involment and support.

Everything gets worse if these kids were suffering from anxiety and depression.... depression is a bitch and hard to control. In fact, depression controls the person most of the time.

Also, most bullies were bullied and they behave this way to cope with their lives. It's a vicious cycle.
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Not to be harsh, but bullying is everywhere. You cannot escape it; not even on the internet.


But no one who isn't more sensitive than an exposed toenailess toe with sunburn and cancer kills themselves over strangers on the internet. Sure I'd get it if it were people they knew bullying them on the internet, but then why the heck do they add bullies on facebook and shit?


You should be a bit more empathetic to people who commit suicide over internet bullying. I've read on the news about the MySpace and ask.fm suicides. Teen girls are really impressionable and have low-self esteems (teen guys too I guess, but not as bad as teen girls). So like, they're putting themselves out on the internet, and trolls go ahead and DDOS-question them about stuff, they answer sincerely, only to be shot down by them again and again, and they get more desperate, and looking for acceptance and trying to raise their self-esteem, but the trolls are trolls and feed off of their distress, and in the end, they just kill themselves.

It's not really about beign smart or mature enough to turn off the computer. It's just, they're put in this emotional state and everyone who's experienced emotions knows how they can make you do irrational things -_-.
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I will be praying for the Children of Japan. May The Holy Trinity and All the Saints shower the children with blessings over this depressing time. My condolences to ones who have lost loved ones and my prayers to those who are struggling with the thought. Most Blessed Virgin, Pray for us, and for those most in need of your son's mercy.
Posted 9/1/15

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Urboistar wrote:

Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


I think if you were thrown into a POW camp for a few years you would be begging for death by the end.


Woah man, don't bring up any tragic memories of your past. Peace and love.

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