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Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


How does suicide in any way make someone weak? When you're suicidal, you're not in your right mind. I'm not just saying that figuratively; 90% of people who die by suicide have some sort of mental illness. Many people attempt suicide because they think the world would be better off without them, while others legitimately believe that it's their only way out (e.g "it's gonna be like this until I die, so I might as well just do it now").

Don't you dare call people who attempt suicide weak or unworthy of respect.


They're both weak and unworthy of respect. Selfish people that don't care about the world around them, they're taking the easy way out because they feel they're unnecessary or uncared for. Instead of growing a pair and talking to the right people they just give up, mental illness aside (because I understand at least that much) I very sincerely doubt that 90% of people that commit suicide have a mental illness.



I have to agree with you. I was bullied but I was also strong, so there should be no excuse for someone to selfishly take their life and get no respect out of it. If kids "grow a pair" then we wouldn't have to sit here feeling sorry to you get the point where you hear it too much and you just think "oh, another?".

If you can't survive being bullied what makes you think you can survive in the real world.



So what it not possible that these students haven't been bullied worse then you, don't get me wrong suicide is never the answer and I was also bullied but I have heard stories where the bullying were so harsh and their home life was so bad that it would break a normal psyche.




I was bullied at home and at school at the age of 4,5,6 and 7 etc...this was junior school, secondary school was worse but I dealt with it by MYSELF! I was bullied by best friend with her new best friend in junior school and she punched me....however this stuff doesn't bother me and I won't say too much, you know how people are these days. Teens need to survive if they are going to get anywhere, it just gets worse till the point where you just don't care


Sadly everyone has there breaking points though i was bullied all my life online and offline and do you know what made me suicidal?

Not being beaten up
Not being made fun of
Not being driven insane
Not being outcasted because i had a disability
Not being treated like a child all the time
especially not having few friends.

What put me to the line of suicide was a single breakup.

How can someone like me who went through so many things like that , that most people can't get through who would be percieved as strong break down to suicide over a break up ...because everyone has there breaking point and no matter who you are the more that is piled on will slowly but surely drive anyone mad.

Most people who commit suicide sadly can't handle all the weight / stress and pain that is accumulating in them without any end if hanging it out till the very end and trying your best is weak then .....i want to be weak.
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Sadly everyone has there breaking points though i was bullied all my life online and offline and do you know what made me suicidal?

Not being beaten up
Not being made fun of
Not being driven insane
Not being outcasted because i had a disability
Not being treated like a child all the time
especially not having few friends.

What put me to the line of suicide was a single breakup.

How can someone like me who went through so many things like that , that most people can't get through who would be percieved as strong break down to suicide over a break up ...because everyone has there breaking point and no matter who you are the more that is piled on will slowly but surely drive anyone mad.

Most people who commit suicide sadly can't handle all the weight / stress and pain that is accumulating in them without any end if hanging it out till the very end and trying your best is weak then .....i want to be weak.

(This is supposed to be quoted haha)



Everyone is weak, everyone has weaknesses but how can people be so selfish that they think they should die?! Bully victims think "oh why me!" BUT i thought "I'd rather it be ME who gets bullied than someone else!" If I could prevent bullying in the future by being in a room full of bullies then I'd do it, no matter what they do!

Guys take break ups harder than women from my opinion/experience breaks ups don't bother me I just say "k" and move on.

Being an outcast hurt me too because I got eczema and the bully screamed it out and told everyone to run away from me like I had a disease! Everyone goes through similar things but some take it too far

Maybe when I get the money I'll go to Japan and start my own anti bully campaign and prevent more students deaths...if I had a child who did that I'd be thinking why didn't she/he tell, why would she/he do this and is it my fault...that is what parents have to go through but the kids don't think about their families when they do it, some kindly leave a note.
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Sadly everyone has there breaking points though i was bullied all my life online and offline and do you know what made me suicidal?

Not being beaten up
Not being made fun of
Not being driven insane
Not being outcasted because i had a disability
Not being treated like a child all the time
especially not having few friends.

What put me to the line of suicide was a single breakup.

How can someone like me who went through so many things like that , that most people can't get through who would be percieved as strong break down to suicide over a break up ...because everyone has there breaking point and no matter who you are the more that is piled on will slowly but surely drive anyone mad.

Most people who commit suicide sadly can't handle all the weight / stress and pain that is accumulating in them without any end if hanging it out till the very end and trying your best is weak then .....i want to be weak.

(This is supposed to be quoted haha)



Everyone is weak, everyone has weaknesses but how can people be so selfish that they think they should die?! Bully victims think "oh why me!" BUT i thought "I'd rather it be ME who gets bullied than someone else!" If I could prevent bullying in the future by being in a room full of bullies then I'd do it, no matter what they do!

Guys take break ups harder than women from my opinion/experience breaks ups don't bother me I just say "k" and move on.

Being an outcast hurt me too because I got eczema and the bully screamed it out and told everyone to run away from me like I had a disease! Everyone goes through similar things but some take it too far

Maybe when I get the money I'll go to Japan and start my own anti bully campaign and prevent more students deaths...if I had a child who did that I'd be thinking why didn't she/he tell, why would she/he do this and is it my fault...that is what parents have to go through but the kids don't think about their families when they do it, some kindly leave a note.

well i will agree with you there but sadly when your depressed you don't think for the greater good but that sucks you got bullied also in the end its selfish to commit suicide i won't disagree but it is also selfish to stop someone from commiting suicide.

So there is that.

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woodygirl97 wrote:


Sadly everyone has there breaking points though i was bullied all my life online and offline and do you know what made me suicidal?

Not being beaten up
Not being made fun of
Not being driven insane
Not being outcasted because i had a disability
Not being treated like a child all the time
especially not having few friends.

What put me to the line of suicide was a single breakup.

How can someone like me who went through so many things like that , that most people can't get through who would be percieved as strong break down to suicide over a break up ...because everyone has there breaking point and no matter who you are the more that is piled on will slowly but surely drive anyone mad.

Most people who commit suicide sadly can't handle all the weight / stress and pain that is accumulating in them without any end if hanging it out till the very end and trying your best is weak then .....i want to be weak.

(This is supposed to be quoted haha)



Everyone is weak, everyone has weaknesses but how can people be so selfish that they think they should die?! Bully victims think "oh why me!" BUT i thought "I'd rather it be ME who gets bullied than someone else!" If I could prevent bullying in the future by being in a room full of bullies then I'd do it, no matter what they do!

Guys take break ups harder than women from my opinion/experience breaks ups don't bother me I just say "k" and move on.

Being an outcast hurt me too because I got eczema and the bully screamed it out and told everyone to run away from me like I had a disease! Everyone goes through similar things but some take it too far

Maybe when I get the money I'll go to Japan and start my own anti bully campaign and prevent more students deaths...if I had a child who did that I'd be thinking why didn't she/he tell, why would she/he do this and is it my fault...that is what parents have to go through but the kids don't think about their families when they do it, some kindly leave a note.


well i will agree with you there but sadly when your depressed you don't think for the greater good but that sucks you got bullied also in the end its selfish to commit suicide i won't disagree but it is also selfish to stop someone from commiting suicide.

So there is that.



Stopping someone you love and care for can be selfish but what's worse is what if that person decides to die for them wouldn't that make the first person even more selfish because people would literally die for them and they turned them away, the person who committed suicide could have done great things in life maybe even cure cancer but we'll never know now.
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woodygirl97 wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


woodygirl97 wrote:


Sadly everyone has there breaking points though i was bullied all my life online and offline and do you know what made me suicidal?

Not being beaten up
Not being made fun of
Not being driven insane
Not being outcasted because i had a disability
Not being treated like a child all the time
especially not having few friends.

What put me to the line of suicide was a single breakup.

How can someone like me who went through so many things like that , that most people can't get through who would be percieved as strong break down to suicide over a break up ...because everyone has there breaking point and no matter who you are the more that is piled on will slowly but surely drive anyone mad.

Most people who commit suicide sadly can't handle all the weight / stress and pain that is accumulating in them without any end if hanging it out till the very end and trying your best is weak then .....i want to be weak.

(This is supposed to be quoted haha)



Everyone is weak, everyone has weaknesses but how can people be so selfish that they think they should die?! Bully victims think "oh why me!" BUT i thought "I'd rather it be ME who gets bullied than someone else!" If I could prevent bullying in the future by being in a room full of bullies then I'd do it, no matter what they do!

Guys take break ups harder than women from my opinion/experience breaks ups don't bother me I just say "k" and move on.

Being an outcast hurt me too because I got eczema and the bully screamed it out and told everyone to run away from me like I had a disease! Everyone goes through similar things but some take it too far

Maybe when I get the money I'll go to Japan and start my own anti bully campaign and prevent more students deaths...if I had a child who did that I'd be thinking why didn't she/he tell, why would she/he do this and is it my fault...that is what parents have to go through but the kids don't think about their families when they do it, some kindly leave a note.


well i will agree with you there but sadly when your depressed you don't think for the greater good but that sucks you got bullied also in the end its selfish to commit suicide i won't disagree but it is also selfish to stop someone from commiting suicide.

So there is that.



Stopping someone you love and care for can be selfish but what's worse is what if that person decides to die for them wouldn't that make the first person even more selfish because people would literally die for them and they turned them away, the person who committed suicide could have done great things in life maybe even cure cancer but we'll never know now.

Yup thats why in the end both are selfish but keeping someone alive is the right thing to do :P
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I wonder if the higher Japanese suicide rate on September first isn't also tied to the very competitive,stressful, and demanding education criteria that Japanese society requires from their youth.
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I wonder if the higher Japanese suicide rate on September first isn't also tied to the very competitive,stressful, and demanding education criteria that Japanese society requires from their youth.


Good point but i personally think the demanding education criteria is a good thing. Going off how schools normally operate, you'd go back to school after your exams and most people do resits during the holiday so September shouldn't be any special imo. But yes, you can bet there are a lot of other pressures to consider on top of the one thing that eventually pushes a kid over the edge. I'd assume the suicide notes would provide with details also. In any case, i would say that parents have a lot of power in what they expect from their kids... parents would put pressure on schools and their children. Enough push is good but how the children relieve their stress is something that should be investigated.
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Nice to see the thread wasn't taken over by THAT section of the posters who say "We know what it's like to be bullied to the point of suicide!", and try to establish their own franchised "monopoly" on the issue, as usually nearly always happens in bullying discussions...
(Which pretty well self-destructed our own national Anti-Bullying campaigns before they started, and prevented some social unity on an issue that could have been addressed on a national scale...Now that they know they got sympathy on it the first time, it's a card they now pull out at the slightest provocation, like that character on the old Popeye cartoon who would whip out a gun to his head every time he felt rejected.)

As some have noted it's a particular cultural problem in Japan, since:
1) The "pecking order", when those stressed to succeed have nowhere to let their frustrations out except onto the lower class, is deeply rooted in the class system of Japan (bullying is just as "traditional" in British schools, which also has a five-hundred history of trying to rise above one's social station)--And with the Recession economy, the less chance one has to succeed, the more frustration and stress there is to reassure one's self and push others for not trying, and if those pushed can't push back, they'll push others. The harder the push, the harder that the pushed push...
In Japan, of course, it's your own fault if you're not succeeding or your superiors look down on you, so you're not allowed to complain.

2) Japan's unfamiliarity with Christian religion, and its stands against suicide--The Buddha and King Enma still look down on suicide, but there's not quite the theological moral reason against suicide established in belief as in Catholic churches, and Japan teens literally say "Well, why not, it would solve everything, and you go to some better place, don't you? What's the big deal??" The same is true for India, where killing one's self can be seen as a statement, rather than a deadly sin.
Even the "Who wants to live forever?" samurai culture and wartime Kamikaze movements established killing one's self as just an unfortunate job necessity.
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Every situation of bullying is not like how it was for you.

I hope you people don't talk to anyone suicidal if your technique is to tell them they're being a weak, selfish, and disrespectful piece of shit. I'm telling you now, you're doing it wrong if that's the case. I used to think that way too when I was younger, but it doesn't help them.

There are a lot of physical ailments that cause mental problems, same with drugs. A lot of times it means there's something significantly imbalanced in the brain or that person seriously needs support. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have loving friends and family. I'm not saying to throw people pity parties, but you sure as hell also shouldn't disregard them either because you can't be bothered to deal with their 'annoying behavior'. Next thing you know they're dead and you wish maybe, just maybe you would have said something nice or at least tried to understand them better to get them help they needed.

Yes it's a selfish act, but it's also a noteworthy selfishness that makes you not want to deal with it if you actually choose that route. Yes, it's a burden they place on you. It's hard to listen as someone is on the other end of line crying he just swallowed a bunch of sleeping pills. I got him to throw them up, he's fine. He only relapsed a year later and I had him walk it off. He's on too many fucking psychological drugs.

Listening goes a long way for people. You don't have to pity them to help them, you just have to give a fuck.




pirththee wrote:

I wonder if the higher Japanese suicide rate on September first isn't also tied to the very competitive,stressful, and demanding education criteria that Japanese society requires from their youth.


It probably has a lot to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a severe problem with lower cortisol levels because of it as well.
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Every situation of bullying is not like how it was for you.

I hope you people don't talk to anyone suicidal if your technique is to tell them they're being a weak, selfish, and disrespectful piece of shit. I'm telling you now, you're doing it wrong if that's the case. I used to think that way too when I was younger, but it doesn't help them.

There are a lot of physical ailments that cause mental problems, same with drugs. A lot of times it means there's something significantly imbalanced in the brain or that person seriously needs support. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have loving friends and family. I'm not saying to throw people pity parties, but you sure as hell also shouldn't disregard them either because you can't be bothered to deal with their 'annoying behavior'. Next thing you know they're dead and you wish maybe, just maybe you would have said something nice or at least tried to understand them better to get them help they needed.

Yes it's a selfish act, but it's also a noteworthy selfishness that makes you not want to deal with it if you actually choose that route. Yes, it's a burden they place on you. It's hard to listen as someone is on the other end of line crying he just swallowed a bunch of sleeping pills. I got him to throw them up, he's fine. He only relapsed a year later and I had him walk it off. He's on too many fucking psychological drugs.

Listening goes a long way for people. You don't have to pity them to help them, you just have to give a fuck.




pirththee wrote:

I wonder if the higher Japanese suicide rate on September first isn't also tied to the very competitive,stressful, and demanding education criteria that Japanese society requires from their youth.


It probably has a lot to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a severe problem with lower cortisol levels because of it as well.


Yeah...adding fire to house dont help extinguishing the flames that engulf the house as bullied going suicidal. I guess the way i would encourage them is..."you can change anything if your dead." But yeah listening is the key to help them overcome their crisis,more often than not that couöld be one thing they could be missing. Pity is unwarranted,it often makes people w o are pitied uncomfortable.

Maybe if they realised there's much more to life than work/school and getting grades that don't mean crap,as they dont usually tell how much you can actually do or how much you have actually learned?

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woodygirl97 wrote: breaks ups don't bother me I just say "k" and move on.
Would say that is not healthy if you really want a relationship

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pirththee wrote:

I wonder if the higher Japanese suicide rate on September first isn't also tied to the very competitive,stressful, and demanding education criteria that Japanese society requires from their youth.


Remember how many different explanations we tried to come up with for Columbine?: The Matrix! Grand Theft Auto! Online-community addictions! Anime! (Okay, so we didn't blame "Horny Internet-addicted work-avoiding anime-otaku NEET's" yet.)
In his documentary, Michael Moore, as usual, tried to tie it to "US white gun-culture", but then he interviewed Matt Stone who actually went to school in Littleton, CO, and said "It's just beaten into you every day: 'This is it, if you don't succeed and make it out of here.'"
(That, and the shooters probably were jock-bullied for being "gay", and given their pissy "we're striking back for all the victims!" response, likely not without good reason.)

In Japan, there's very little dream of "Making it out of here", since some dream of working in foreign countries, but no one wants to leave their own. And the more the Recession hits, and the more that business and government sticks to their old 80's "Ganbari-masu!" strategies of showing how hard and dedicated they're working--which doesn't really work anymore--the more that teens want some idea that what they're learning is going to show them some opportunity to follow down the road.
And since the old "Rub our math scores in the rest of the world's faces" 80's mentality doesn't really push the educational system beyond anything but a three-year Test Prep school that pretty much leaves them adrift after the final exam, Japanese teens treat school as the daily-routine test-drudge it basically is--with their spare time in more school preparing for a test they don't know why they're preparing for--without any sense of following their own ambitions for the future. They don't know what's ahead, and what they've got now is a battleground, who's to give them the whole message of "It Gets Better (tm)"?
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so bullies are everywhere. even in Japan.
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Doesn't make the bullying ok

Some people are that sensetive and go through right times i know when i was depressed if someone bullied me online i probably would have cut myself.

That being said i nearly commited suicide once in my life and i can say those who commit suicide are not weak even the strongest person can be brought down.

We selfishly keep alive those who don't want to live how fair is that it's selfish not to let someone who wants to die live but at the same time death should be the last choice.

I respect those who commited suicide because they tried there best and not everyone can survive and no one obviously tried to help them or it would never have gotten to that point.

Those who commit suicide are not weak nor are they strong ANYONE can commit suicide and its selfish to stop someone from doing when they have resolved to do it.

but in that being said selfishness is not bad we are a selfish species.

Did I ever say it did? No.

The rest I more or less agree with.
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kids dont know any betteer. they are dumb and full of hormones and do things like that because it's part of human nature. eventually societal pressures manage to stomp that fire out, but weak things typically get picked on because they allow it, and it's fun and entertaining for everyone involved to abuse weak people. in grade schools, the concept of morals and conscience isn't so deeply ingrained yet, so everyone has a good time abusing the weakling. it's unfortunate, and nobody deserves to be treated like that, but its simply how humans operate at an age where right and wrong isnt so clearly defined. humans are animals too, and this is what animals like to do.
Animals kill to survive. They don't abuse other animals to see reactions for entertainment. When humans do that it is not because it is natural, or because it's fun but because many of them live in a sick environment.

People abuse the weak because know they won't face any consequences. Teachers, counselors and staff (even parents) won't do much about it despite what they tell you. This causes and enabled the behavior.


they frequently do, and among primates this is especially widespread (surprise the closest relative to humans). when a high ranking monkey sees what he thinks is a smaller, weaker monkey attempting to subvert his position in the hierarchy, he abuses and attacks him. this is amusing to the other monkeys because they want to associate with the monkey who appears to be the dominant force.

this is similar to humans in the sense that the bully sees a guy making good grades, or skilled at a musical instrument or something, this enrages the bully (who is typically unskilled and realizes this) who then uses his large size to his advantage and attacks the weaker guy and his troupe of monkeys laughs hysterically along with him.

if the target is sufficiently docile and doesn't present himself as a threat (i.e the mentally retarded) the bully simply ignores it and moves on.
This appeal to nature is an excuse, a really bad one. Mentally handicap people have been harassed for the same reason you've stated.
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Kids need to toughen up, suicide is for the weak and I will never respect someone like that. I respect bullies even less for picking on the weak to the extent of said victim to take their own life.


I think if you were thrown into a POW camp for a few years you would be begging for death by the end.


Woah man, don't bring up any tragic memories of your past. Peace and love.



I never said that it happened to me, but things just as bad are happening to people all over the world even as we speak. The suffering of other sentient beings should never be taken lightly.

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