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what even is this thread tho


Nothing that should be taken seriously.
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If poverty is blamed for bad schools and crime and whites have the largest number of poor. Why are they not leading in the number of failing schools and leading all the categories of violent crimes?



Well lets check out some data. First, lets look at these two tables from the FBI's webpage. They both list arrest statistics. (as I understand it, Hispanics were mixed into both black and white groups, though I am unsure of the percentage difference)

2012 (source: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf)


2013 (source: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43)


Now lets get off the issue of violent crimes for a second and focus more broadly on the crime statistics. If we take these charts as a microcosm (I know it's a tiny sample but bear with me) then we should see the white arrest rate hovering at around 70% and the black arrest rate hovering at about 30%. Now lets look at recent prison intake divided along racial lines with this table from the BOP (Bureau of Prisons)

(Source: http://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_race.jsp )


That's about a 10% drop for whites, a 10% increase for blacks, and Native Americans and Asians staying right about on point (technically they move up a bit but its just too negligible in an examination like this). This is pretty significant when looking at the data as a whole. The fact that Hispanics are split in the way that they are also troubles me a bit. However, when it comes down to it, it really just seems that after arrests white people aren't convicted as frequently as minorities, particularly blacks. That being said, as much as this subject burns me up inside being a minority myself, I'm not going to speculate on the reason. I'd rather have someone else blow this forum to bits, thank you.

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Can't really say much for the schools, though I would note an example from my life. In the city where I live (which only has a 28% white population) I had three options for high school:

1) Go to one of the public high schools

2) Apply for the more specialized schools within the city

3) Apply for school outside the city

Now, the issue with option (1) was that the public schools in my area, quite frankly, aren't very good. So much so that in one particular year one of our three public high schools didn't notify it's students as to how to sign up for the SATs, and the students and guidance counselors actually had to push the school to get the information out before it was too late.

The issue with the second option was that the specialized schools that I was interested in worked on a lottery based system, and if I failed to get into my desired choices I may have had to go to the public school I so dreaded anyway.

The issue with the third option was that applying for non-lottery based schools outside of town rarely works, and therefore it was unlikely that I would be able to access an education of a better quality from the surrounding towns.

Now I was lucky enough to have both options 2 and 3 at my disposal when it came to making my final decision, but then comes another issue. Having chosen option 2 and now looking back at my graduating class, about about 40% were white students from outside of my district. So even in a case where we have plenty of seats at good inner-city schools given away in a lottery, that still does not guarantee that the minority children living within these districts will benefit from these schools to the fullest extent.

And then of course you have to add the whole issue of funding, which is a mess in and of itself...



The way I see it, the issue is that similar problems arise in many minority school districts across the country, and it's certainly not something that the minority population should be blamed for.

Just my two cents anyway.
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ignitingmemories wrote:

what even is this thread tho


Nothing that should be taken seriously.


Lmao right.
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What is this discussion? Looks like bait to me lolol
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What is this discussion? Looks like bait to me lolol


nothing but click bait
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Poverty while talked about is something you wouldn't want to experience I witness it on a daily basis in the area I live in and no matter what race you are it's not a joking or cute thing it's a downright ugly beast I've experienced it and while this thread might be click bait I clicked it and I clicked it as a witness and a firsthand experiencer. Even if experts think there is a correlation in failing grades and poverty some of those impoverished students are smarter than those student who are perceived as middle to upper class bookworms because of the strive to be something now I'm not saying that those students in better financial situations don't care it's just I can relate and sympathize with those students who live in or around broken neighborhoods wanting to be successful not necessarily with a million dollars but successful in mind, spirit, body and of course money.


At least you aren't Gary IN.

What you don't know is that there is pretty good information out there that if you keep pressing this line of thought is going to get dropped and this thread will turn into a major shitstorm.


I honestly don't follow what you're saying here exactly what line of thinking that is? I was just trying to make a point.
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It's somewhat strange that a country (US) that says it doesn't allow discrimination based on race, actively pursues and publishes statistics based solely on race.Why is your genetic or racial background any of the governments business?
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lulz to be fair I wasn't really defending the guys point I simply just wanted to point out the flaw in misunderstanding statistics. After reading what OP was on about and your reply I got a better context and understand your comment. That's my bad bud, I get heated up about science and math belittling as it seems we just don't wanna teach our kids how important they are to survival of our species and technological/medicinal or even just the overall advancement in intellect that comes from the wellspring of the two
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VZ68 wrote:


GodOfFlash wrote:


VZ68 wrote:


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Someone can't into math.

What's a larger number, 10% of 250 million or 50% of 25 million?


Nothing like comparing two populations of different size and basing the comparison in total numbers instead of percentages to make dumb points. Way to go.

BTW, "Someone can't into math" Sounds more like "Someone can't into English"


Answer the question.


Since whoever you were replying to clearly doesn't feel the need to further explain, I shall. Have you ever taken part in an experiment or study? You take the numbers and form them into a percentage to get a general consensus. His point is that when you have 50-250 million participants in the study the percentages are normally a good indicator. To throw out the percentages and say well they don't have exactly equal number of participants is the equivalent of forsaking a lot basic studies and experiments. If not for anticipating and prediction through percentages(thus numbers) we'd be all but lost in this day and age. You clearly lack a basic comprehension of not only math, but its impact on the world itself. I won't even get into physics smh. Hopefully one day you'll understand that percentages are a good indicator for comparison among other statistics/numbers you'll probably just pettifog your way out of it saying you were talking about something entirely different going from your past replies... but the point is that you are utterly false in saying "Nothing like comparing two populations of different size and basing the comparison in total numbers instead of percentages to make dumb points. Way to go."


If you go back and read the OP post, you'll find out something amazing.




If poverty is blamed for bad schools and crime and whites have the largest number of poor. Why are they not leading in the number of failing schools and leading all the categories of violent crimes?


Now what you and the other person have done is gone "no no no, that's false! More of this is true!"

Then you paint yourselves into a huge corner and can't explain yourself out of it when a graphic, which I'm sure the OP and myself have both seen, get dropped into the thread. The it's katy bar the door time.

The percent game is a good way to game shit, until it bites you hard on the ass.

Such as the fact that most obese nation is the world has like a 98% obesity rate. Sounds extremely horrible, until you find out the country has a population of 100K and come from a race of people that have always been fat.

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lulz to be fair I wasn't really defending the guys point I simply just wanted to point out the flaw in misunderstanding statistics. After reading what OP was on about and your reply I got a better context and understand your comment. That's my bad bud, I get heated up about science and math belittling as it seems we just don't wanna teach our kids how important they are to survival of our species and technological/medicinal or even just the overall advancement in intellect that comes from the wellspring of the two
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I just knew this thread would be started by Mr. Biscuitnote.

Though I agree with him on some things and ya'll know how I feel about crime/drugs/ghetto/hood areas/violence...I feel this thread opening should have been more eloquently phrased and fleshed out.



Anyway, I am here for the shitstorm I hope will take place. Lord knows I just love 'em controversial threads! The more lethal the subject, the better.

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