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Legal research and writing is totally different from the stuff people do in college. I can say with confidence that all the writing I did up to after college (which is a whole damn lot) did not help me do legal writing. It only helped me to not make any grammar errors. And I still attribute that more to my love for reading than to doing my homework.

I do agree with your thoughts about the purpose of going to a university, though. Although, I must say, when I am doing work to help a client, I aim to actually help them, not to try to help them. I don't just take money for attempts, I earn money by producing results. If I don't think I can do it, I tell them to find someone else.

Yes, I do think it is not ethical for a professional with so much relying on him to not put in the work expected of him, but that is up to the recipient of my papers. As far as I'm concerned, I put in my work and even go out of my way to warn clients that my work is not for direct submission but for use as a source from which they can draw inspiration for their own writing.



I think we need a clear definition of moral vs. ethical argument. This is because, it is the latter that we are concerned with.
Seeing as you have done philosophy, you should be able to help us on this.
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I see nothing wrong with it.

Guy has problem.
Guy seeks your help.
Guy gets desired result.

Doesn't sound unethical to me. Sure I'm simplying the scenario, but the result is the same nonetheless. Just sounds like a smart person to utilize a shortcut.
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If a ghost is writing your papers you should call someone about that.
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dotsforlife wrote:

I see nothing wrong with it.

Guy has problem.
Guy seeks your help.
Guy gets desired result.

Doesn't sound unethical to me. Sure I'm simplying [stating] the scenario, but the result is the same nonetheless. Just sounds like a smart person to utilize a shortcut.


Okay. So.
Guy has problem with wife.
Guy seeks your help to murder her wife.
Guy get desired result.

Nothing wrong with that. Right?
An ethical debate is more than that.
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FirzenExpert wrote:


dotsforlife wrote:

I see nothing wrong with it.

Guy has problem.
Guy seeks your help.
Guy gets desired result.

Doesn't sound unethical to me. Sure I'm simplying [stating] the scenario, but the result is the same nonetheless. Just sounds like a smart person to utilize a shortcut.


Okay. So.
Guy has problem with wife.
Guy seeks your help to murder her wife.
Guy get desired result.

Nothing wrong with that. Right?
An ethical debate is more than that.


Your idea of ethical I'm guessing suits the social mores. Morality and ethics mean nothing to me. Especially when they're just drummed up ideals by the same flawed human beings.

I don't care to get into an argument that can't be proven either way. Waste of time. I simply stated my opinion on the OP's topic and that's all I care to do.
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If only I knew about this when I was in college I wouldn't have suffered the way I did thanks to those stupid essays

No matter what I wrote or how many days I spent on one essay I never got As or Bs on my english classes because my essays were so bad I swear I tried...

Due to my experience, I don't think is unethical and you could be saving or making many people's lives easier!
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It's unethical only if it's not noted.
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The way I see it, ethics governs proper conduct, especially for work and business.

Morality governs the rightfulness and wrongfulness of behavior.

For instance, intentionally getting drunk and not seeking help for your alcoholism so you can use fear to control your family is a moral issue.

Ignoring proper procedure for your own convenience at work to the detriment of your clients is an ethical issue.

There is a ton of overlap, obviously, and the words are sometimes used interchangeably.

For ghostwriting, I question whether giving a disclaimer and allowing clients to have my work is proper when I know there is a good chance they will ignore my warnings, and I know that merely giving a disclaimer is not enough for them to really listen to me.
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Nothing wrong with it the way I see it
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Only if the ghostwriter is getting paid a fair amount for their work, but usually, since they're not…
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this sounds like an otome game i once played
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I think payment is often fair for the amount of effort exerted by the ghostwriter.

Let's say the client is a Hollywood celebrity and the ghostwritten thing gains a worth of millions of dollars. The value was only raised due to how the client used it. The pay to the ghostwriter needn't be like $10,000 a page because of the increase in value. High pay for a great ghostwriter allows the client to form a good relationship with his ghostwriter.

However, it's not exactly difficult to actually become a ghostwriter. There are academic ghostwriters sourced from other countries who are barely able to construct a decent sentence. It's buyer beware since there are often problems with quality control unless you know someone good and keep giving him repeat business. It's best to use a reputable company and spend a few more dollars per page than to try a super cheap service. It also helps if you're detailed and smart with your assignment description.

Telling me to write about a personal experience of yours that greatly changed who you are without giving me anything else, for the purpose of submitting for use as a personal statement, is kind of ridiculous. You're suddenly a missionary who has been to North Korea to rescue martyrs. There's a good chance you'll send such a piece back to me. Maybe, maybe not.
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It is unethical in the relationship between the student, the professor, and the college due to obligations that all three have to each other. Morally and ethically, is it okay between the client and the ghostwriter. It is may be morally wrong to other students who did the work on their own. I see money as beside the point in this issue, unless there is a breach of contract between client and ghostwriter.

Keep the disclaimers in, it is their fault then if they get caught. It is especially true if they are in a community college or very small regional college/university where the classes can be small and the professors can be former high school teachers.

If the Client could make all the paper requirements, except length. Then they should just write their paper in a short, clear, to the point style as possible (save money). A professor should not have to dock points because of length, if they hit the mark on everything else.

Cut the ghost off editing. Getting help from an outside source to make sure your paper is good spelling, grammar, and flows naturally is ethically/morally ok. An English professor told me once there is a review board for the English language every four years, grammar and such.
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Posted 9/7/15
Terry Pratchett used a ghostwriter the last few years of his life do to the form of Alzheimer he had it causes you to forget words first and you loose the ability to read and write before anything else. For a couple of the books it was fine but somewhere along the line the changed out writers and the last couple didn't feel like his work.

As for other folks using ghostwriters depends on the subject matter.
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