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If you read the reasons I posted one of them is minimum wage increases unemployment. Some people are only worth 5 dollars an hour with business free to set there wages more people can be put to work. With minimum wage workers who produce less are cut out. Minimum wage actually hurts the working class.


Holy hell. You're not arguing for raising the minimum wage, yah might as well get rid of it with that mentality. There's this place, you see, called a happy 'balance' between supply and demand.

The fuck you think businesses are, saints? God chosen angels? The hell dude.






And somehow... Governments... That take their money immorally are somehow... better? If you're not aware, businesses have to compete for your dollar, meaning they either satisfy the customer or the customer will find someone who will. While governments simply rely on your ignorance to steal from your pocket; at the point of a gun mind you.


And yes, there should absolutely not be a minimum wage. What the minimum wage does is make no-skill/low-skill jobs illegal. Do you really think businesses are going to take the hit to their bottom line and their commitment to their investors because the government demands they pay a higher wage? I'm going to go ahead and assume you know fuck all about business and are just saying to raise the minimum wage cause it sounds compassionate. When it's really burying the poor deeper.

For example, lets say a McDonalds store employs 40-50 people at the current minimum wage of $7.25/hr. Just because the government raises the wages to $15 or your "10.10" does not mean that all of those employees will get a raise and keep their jobs. The manager will cut hours across the board or simply remove labor from the workforce and keep the cream of the crop. So instead of a mix of full time and part time workers, the manager would partition shifts into ALL into part-time (thanks obamacare) to avoid paying benefits on top of the gross wage increase and more than likely let go of about half of his/her staff because those wages are simply unsustainable. Unless of course they kept all of their employees and shift times and passed down the costs to the consumer, then of course the whole business would go under.

Now, if there was not a minimum wage every job possible under the sun could be filled. While single earner potential would go down, household potentials would go up. Simply because EVERYONE would be qualified for a job of some sort.

But since the minimum wage advocates (you) have zero fucking clue how business is run, we've went from almost a full service society to a self service society. That means, no more full service gas stations etc...

Higher paying jobs for less people is not the answer.. But that's exactly how minimum wages aim to battle the problem.

I could just see it, "McDonalds now taking applications! Requirements are at least a bachelors degree in any subject! Contact (555)555-5555!"


You can get mad all you want princess, people are worth what they can produce and if government requires businesses to pay more than what some people are worth, those people will NEVER get jobs. How this evades you is beyond me.. But SJW are like that... All feelings, no facts.
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Please take an economics course.
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I think it's well established minimum wage itself is a good idea for market stability.

That being said, people are greedy as hell.

Finding a good paying job should be hard.
Minimum wage should not be enough to cover your car, smartphone, new clothes, fast food, tv, and other garbage.

I worked a few minimum wage jobs through highschool, found jobs that paid better after that.
Then one day went "Well, I better get a solid skillset so I'm not stuck with roommates for life" and get a skillset.

Then I made a lot more money. Aaand - it was FAR harder getting a high salary job than something at $10/hour. (granted minimum wage was something like 5.25 then).

Summary - Minimum wage is good. It SHOULD increase with inflation. It wasn't meant to be 'minimum wage to support your lazy ass being a low-income baller', it's the minimum fair wage for the effort/skills you bring to the table.
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Please take an economics course.




Really? So you have no argument other than I take part in your liberal fuck fest colleges ? No thank you. I'm an independent thinker, not a hive mind drone.

Would explain why you use feelings instead of facts tho.. SJW AWAYYYYY!
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Really? So you have no argument other than I take part in your liberal fuck fest colleges ? No thank you. I'm an independent thinker, not a hive mind drone.


I'm also an Independent. However, I'm a Computer Engineer and part of my job is understanding numbers. And I tell you sir, no minimum wage is dumb math.


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Would explain why you use feelings instead of facts tho.. SJW AWAYYYYY!


You must have missed page 2. Plus I'm pretty sure most here know I'm no SJW. Lmao.

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Really? So you have no argument other than I take part in your liberal fuck fest colleges ? No thank you. I'm an independent thinker, not a hive mind drone.


I'm also an Independent. However, I'm a Computer Engineer and part of my job is understanding numbers. And I tell you sir, no minimum wage is dumb math.


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Would explain why you use feelings instead of facts tho.. SJW AWAYYYYY!


You must have missed page 2. Plus I'm pretty sure most here know I'm no SJW. Lmao.





Still not an argument.
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Still not an argument.


Supply and Demand wouldn't be an argument for you I guess. Fuck numbers and basic economics amirite?


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Still not an argument.


Supply and Demand wouldn't be an argument for you I guess. Fuck numbers and basic economics amirite?




You have it so easy you just follow the status quo. I actually have real opinions and make hard choices keep living in your liberal bubble.
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You might as well make a bunch of extra shoes people don't fucking want and then the shoes you actually did sell, you sold for a lot less than you could have. You know what that's called? That's called terrible fucking business.


No thats called the Food industry
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dyme420 wrote:


Still not an argument.


Supply and Demand wouldn't be an argument for you I guess. Fuck numbers and basic economics amirite?




It's what you've been doing all along... So sure.. if it suits an argument you might have actually made.. instead of this fallacy that labor is to be treated like a commodity..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwVjAFXv4O0
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1. It’s a big country. The costs of living, especially housing, vary widely in America from state to state and city to city. If the point of raising the minimum wage is to provide a “living wage,” why should the minimum wage in low-cost areas such as Texas or Oklahoma be the same as in high-cost areas such as San Francisco or Manhattan?

2. The states are already taking care of it. Twenty states and the District of Columbia already have minimum wages higher than the current federal minimum of $7.25 an hour.

3. Private industry and the free market are already taking care of it. Even low-skill, entry level positions in many areas already pay higher than minimum wage.

4. As an anti-poverty tool, it is a blunt instrument. A post by David Henderson cited by the chairman of the Harvard Economics Department, Greg Mankiw, points out that a lot of minimum wage earners are second or third-job holders in households with other income. That could include a teenage summer employee whose parents both have jobs. Other minimum wage workers may include retirees with income from savings and Social Security who own their homes mortgage-free.

5. It’s not clear that it’s constitutional. The Supreme Court, in its opinion in the 1923 case Adkins v. Children’s Hospital of District of Columbia, made a strong argument that a minimum wage was a violation of the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of contract embedded in the Fifth Amendment’s language about due process and the deprivation of liberty and property: “To the extent that the sum fixed exceeds the fair value of the services rendered, it amounts to a compulsory exaction from the employer for the support of a partially indigent person, for whose condition there rests upon him no peculiar responsibility, and therefore, in effect, arbitrarily shifts to his shoulders a burden which, if it belongs to anybody, belongs to society as a whole.” The Court later, in the 1937 case West Coast Hotel v. Parrish, reversed Adkins by a five to four margin. But maybe the court was right the first time around.

6. Even if the freedom of contract isn’t protected by the Constitution, it’s a natural right that should not be infringed. As President Kennedy put it in his inaugural address, “the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” If two free people want to enter into a voluntary, consensual agreement that doesn’t infringe on anyone else’s rights, why should the government stop them? If someone wants to work for $5 an hour, and someone wants to hire that person for that much, and no one is forcing either one of them to enter into the agreement, by what authority does government step in and stop them?

7. It would eliminate jobs. Ordering businesses to pay entry-level workers more will make them hire fewer of them, and consider replacing more workers with robots or computers. That’s good if you are in the robot or computer business, but not so good if you are trying to combat unemployment. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that President Obama’s proposed $10.10 wage, once fully implemented, “would reduce total employment by about 500,000 workers.”

8. It would reduce the incentive for low-wage workers to get an education and move up to a higher-paying job. The lower the minimum wage, the more eager a minimum wage worker would be to enroll in a community college course at night, improve his or her skills, and apply for a higher-paying job. Making the entry-level jobs higher paying increases the risk that workers will get stuck in them for longer instead of moving on to something more rewarding.

9. It’s a sneaky way to increase welfare spending and raise taxes. Raising taxes to spend more on welfare is a political loser. But raising the minimum wage puts money in the pockets of working poor people, at the expense of business owners (and of consumers who would pay in the form of higher prices). If politicians want to increase the earned income tax credit or other work-related welfare benefits, they should do the hard work of building political support for such policies, rather than choosing the roundabout approach of a minimum wage increase.

From http://reason.com/archives/2014/03/03/9-reasons-why-raising-the-minimum-wage-i. Personally I agree the minimum wage is a terrible tool at fixing poverty and all it does is kill jobs. But what does crunchyroll think?


Couldn't agree with you more!

I saw a funny picture of a cash register at McDonald's and the cashier took a piece of paper, and in really bad handwriting wrote "NO FRISE, SORRY", and taped it to the register.

People like that don't deserve 15 an hour.
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The only reason we have to keep raising minimum wage is because of the idea of perpetual inflation. Your money is becoming more worthless as time goes on because of the monetary policy of practically every government.

There is literally nothing wrong with deflation.
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You have it so easy you just follow the status quo. I actually have real opinions and make hard choices keep living in your liberal bubble.


Oh the deep terrifying horror! I've been called a liberal and a SJW for crunching numbers and not succumbing to irrational extremist positioning. How will my life ever go on now!?!?!



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PrinceJudar wrote:

Raising the minimum wage a bit is not a bad idea. Raising it slowly up to maybe 10ish would be wise. 15 is simply ludicrous though and would hurt more people than help. That's not helping poverty, that's just keeping more people there. If stopping poverty was as simple as raising minimum wage, we would have done it a long ass time ago and countries that have done it would be flourishing.

Doesn't work that way. It only sounds good as cheap political rhetoric.



Personally that should be up to the business on what to pay there workers. If they pay to little people can go elsewhere.


Oh the good old days before unions spoiled everything...

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