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Now, I'm afraid I can't entirely agree with you on that front.

While I would avoid an altercation if at all possible,
let's assume, for whatever reason, the intruder decided to attack me.

Someone who is unarmed is still very capable of killing me.
I believe I should have the right to defend myself in whatever fashion is
necessary.

I choose not to own a gun, as I do not wish to bear the
responsibility of owning one. but I would not blame someone for
shooting someone who truly meant them harm.



oh yeah i agree if he attacks then it is fair enough but to attack someone for instance who is retreating or not even giving them a warning shot is just misuse of a gun in my opinion.

IF they attack unarmed they can still kill you and that threat gives you the right to kill.
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Shooting a robber who is not a threat or is not attacking you isn't even self defense at that point it's homicide as wrong as it is for them to be robbing your house it doesn't give you the right to kill them... then again maybe i just come from a country that is sane compared to yours.


Depends where you live.

If the house is occupied then they are committing a forcible felony in the state of Florida and that clears the use of deadly force.


>Jesus christ some of you are violent you would shoot an unarmed robber i bet...


If you've broken into my house I have every right to assume that you are there to cause great bodily harm or kill me.


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Shooting a robber who is not a threat or is not attacking you isn't even self defense at that point it's homicide as wrong as it is for them to be robbing your house it doesn't give you the right to kill them... then again maybe i just come from a country that is sane compared to yours.


Depends where you live.

If the house is occupied then they are committing a forcible felony in the state of Florida and that clears the use of deadly force.


>Jesus christ some of you are violent you would shoot an unarmed robber i bet...


If you've broken into my house I have every right to assume that you are there to cause great bodily harm or kill me.




True and well if thats your view that is fine i guess this just goes to show why violence is so high in America...everyone is taught to kill those who don't agree with them or could be a possible threat without thinking through it first.

most of the time a robber will be unarmed or not there to kill anyone and will flee but again it's your life you do what you want this is personally why i want to avoid living in America because everyone is so trigger loving happy well not everyone but the majority i have met are.

But in fairness if you are afraid then that alone is reason enough to shoot them so i guess you aren't in the wrong it's only those who shoot without fear whilst the robber who is escaping who don't deserve to own a gun.

I only say this because i genuinely believe killing someone when you don't have to is wrong and i don't want any of you to get blood on your hands that you don't need to alot of violence and killings from breakins etc happen because the robber or the victim takes it a step to far.

In the end i just want you guys to know shooting someone whilst there fleeing is wrong and unless you have genuine fear then you shouldn't shoot however if fear is present within you then shoot because as much as the robbers life is worth you need to worry about yourself in that situation.

In the end the person who dies has value to the world there not a nobody there still human and have rights also if they make the wrong moves to bring themselves death thats upon them but so many people act as if a robber is an animal and not human at all some only do so to feed there family in the end what i'm just trying to say is instead of shooting and relying on fear use logic and reason to gauge the situation.
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Here's the thing.

Our laws are different in the US, and each state has different laws than the others, so when I talk about laws it's only for Florida, and maybe Texas.

We don't have "Excessive Self Defense". If you go too far, it's murder. Or manslaughter. Leave that to the lawyers.\

We also have a Castle Doctrine with no duty to retreat - meaning that if you break into my house while I'm home, I don't have to try and get away and can stand my ground.

There is no such thing as a "Warning shot". You are responsible for your bullet and they can go through quite a few falls before stopping. If you fire a warning shot there is no saying if you end up killing a kid sleeping in their bed a few rooms down or in the house next door.

As for someone not being armed? I work in an ER. I can tell you exactly what an "Unarmed" person can do to your skull.



But in fairness if you are afraid then that alone is reason enough to shoot them so i guess you aren't in the wrong it's only those who shoot without fear whilst the robber who is escaping who don't deserve to own a gun


If you shoot someone that's trying to escape, that's not self defense, that's straight up murder.
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Morgrid wrote:



Shooting a robber who is not a threat or is not attacking you isn't even self defense at that point it's homicide as wrong as it is for them to be robbing your house it doesn't give you the right to kill them... then again maybe i just come from a country that is sane compared to yours.


Depends where you live.

If the house is occupied then they are committing a forcible felony in the state of Florida and that clears the use of deadly force.


>Jesus christ some of you are violent you would shoot an unarmed robber i bet...


If you've broken into my house I have every right to assume that you are there to cause great bodily harm or kill me.




True and well if thats your view that is fine i guess this just goes to show why violence is so high in America...everyone is taught to kill those who don't agree with them or could be a possible threat without thinking through it first.

most of the time a robber will be unarmed or not there to kill anyone and will flee but again it's your life you do what you want this is personally why i want to avoid living in America because everyone is so trigger loving happy well not everyone but the majority i have met are.

But in fairness if you are afraid then that alone is reason enough to shoot them so i guess you aren't in the wrong it's only those who shoot without fear whilst the robber who is escaping who don't deserve to own a gun.


Mmkay first off stop talking about a nation you clearly no nothing about

Secondly you break into my property I will defend myself as I see fit. There is no such thing as excessive self defense. They break in they are at fault and get to eat the consequences. Excessive self defense...plz
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Morgrid wrote:

Here's the thing.

Our laws are different in the US, and each state has different laws than the others, so when I talk about laws it's only for Florida, and maybe Texas.

We don't have "Excessive Self Defense". If you go too far, it's murder. Or manslaughter. Leave that to the lawyers.\

We also have a Castle Doctrine with no duty to retreat - meaning that if you break into my house while I'm home, I don't have to try and get away and can stand my ground.

There is no such thing as a "Warning shot". You are responsible for your bullet and they can go through quite a few falls before stopping. If you fire a warning shot there is no saying if you end up killing a kid sleeping in their bed a few rooms down or in the house next door.

As for someone not being armed? I work in an ER. I can tell you exactly what an "Unarmed" person can do to your skull.



Well yes that is fair as i said if you fear your life then of course its unfair and i guess thats just the difference where i live the Castle Doctrine doesn't exist here and personally that is for the better for everyone.

But when i said unarmed i should say i meant unarmed and not going to attack you as if there fleeing because if you have a gun and there coming up to you without a weapon then logically shooting is the most tactical move.


Sorry if i offended i just am sick of hearing about people dying when they didn't have to and people taking it to far it mostly happens in the US of all places because people seem to let there fear take control of them and forget logic and reason.

But as you said it is logical to stand your ground i should have clarified i'm ok with killing in self defense it's just all the time people take it way to far then it needed to be.

All life should be respected even a robbers or someone who is going to kill you as all life has value.
That being said you should value your life more so killing to live is fair just don't take it to far like some people do.
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Ryulightorb wrote:


Morgrid wrote:



Shooting a robber who is not a threat or is not attacking you isn't even self defense at that point it's homicide as wrong as it is for them to be robbing your house it doesn't give you the right to kill them... then again maybe i just come from a country that is sane compared to yours.


Depends where you live.

If the house is occupied then they are committing a forcible felony in the state of Florida and that clears the use of deadly force.


>Jesus christ some of you are violent you would shoot an unarmed robber i bet...


If you've broken into my house I have every right to assume that you are there to cause great bodily harm or kill me.




True and well if thats your view that is fine i guess this just goes to show why violence is so high in America...everyone is taught to kill those who don't agree with them or could be a possible threat without thinking through it first.

most of the time a robber will be unarmed or not there to kill anyone and will flee but again it's your life you do what you want this is personally why i want to avoid living in America because everyone is so trigger loving happy well not everyone but the majority i have met are.

But in fairness if you are afraid then that alone is reason enough to shoot them so i guess you aren't in the wrong it's only those who shoot without fear whilst the robber who is escaping who don't deserve to own a gun.


Mmkay first off stop talking about a nation you clearly no nothing about

Secondly you break into my property I will defend myself as I see fit. There is no such thing as excessive self defense. They break in they are at fault and get to eat the consequences. Excessive self defense...plz


It seems i have upset someone well it's not like i didn't expect someone to not understand me or take offence to my beliefs.

Im going off of Observation and research as i have a basic understanding of Americas legal system (the amount any American highschooler would have)

Also there is such a thing as Excessive self defense its when you take self defence to far E.G the enemy retreats (the robber) and you shoot them in the back of the head. (also known as Excessive force)

Yes you can protect your property and yourself but you need to not be rash and be logical if you can avoid killing the intruder whilst making them leave then that route is the best option as killing in self defense is a last resort.

In the end it is your life and if you fear it you should protect yourself but if you can choose an option in which no one is hurt then take that option it won't always be there but if it does exist then take it.

Seriously though everytime i hear of an excessive self defense crime its from America you guys need to have some sort of gun control to keep guns away and harder to get from the mentally unstable.

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If you don't commit violent crimes, you're much less likely to get shot.

If you break into my house and I shoot and kill you, well, the threat has been removed.

If you break into my house and I shoot you and incapacitate you, the threat has been removed and now I'm doing first aid until the police and paramedics arrive.

If you break into my house and I shoot you and neither of those happen, I'm going to keep shooting.
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Morgrid wrote:

If you don't commit violent crimes, you're much less likely to get shot.

If you break into my house and I shoot and kill you, well, the threat has been removed.

If you break into my house and I shoot you and incapacitate you, the threat has been removed and now I'm doing first aid until the police and paramedics arrive.

If you break into my house and I shoot you and neither of those happen, I'm going to keep shooting.


I won't disagree with any of this because its fair enough.

Glad my country isn't that violent though we don't need guns or to fight off robbers / house invaders.
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*sigh* "brainwashed" Oh dear, well this conversation is over... Hahaha how pitiful... Everything in life is dependent on perspective. Everything is relative. Everything is subjective.
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Also there is such a thing as Excessive self defense its when you take self defence to far E.G the enemy retreats (the robber) and you shoot them in the back of the head. (also known as Excessive force)


That's not excessive force, that's murder. Excessive force would be breaking someone's arm while restraining them.


Yes you can protect your property and yourself but you need to not be rash and be logical if you can avoid killing the intruder whilst making them leave then that route is the best option as killing in self defense is a last resort.


Just woken up at 3AM by glass breaking is no going to be the time to talk things out.


In the end it is your life and if you fear it you should protect yourself but if you can choose an option in which no one is hurt then take that option it won't always be there but if it does exist then take it.


I can't disagree with this part.


Seriously though everytime i hear of an excessive self defense crime its from America you guys need to have some sort of gun control to keep guns away and harder to get from the mentally unstable.


Bad news sells more than good news.


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Morgrid wrote:


Also there is such a thing as Excessive self defense its when you take self defence to far E.G the enemy retreats (the robber) and you shoot them in the back of the head. (also known as Excessive force)


That's not excessive force, that's murder. Excessive force would be breaking someone's arm while restraining them.


Yes you can protect your property and yourself but you need to not be rash and be logical if you can avoid killing the intruder whilst making them leave then that route is the best option as killing in self defense is a last resort.


Just woken up at 3AM by glass breaking is no going to be the time to talk things out.


In the end it is your life and if you fear it you should protect yourself but if you can choose an option in which no one is hurt then take that option it won't always be there but if it does exist then take it.


I can't disagree with this part.


Seriously though everytime i hear of an excessive self defense crime its from America you guys need to have some sort of gun control to keep guns away and harder to get from the mentally unstable.


Bad news sells more than good news.





You have made good points and i can't argue with them thanks you actually changed my views a little
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*sigh* "brainwashed" Oh dear, well this conversation is over... Hahaha how pitiful... Everything in life is dependent on perspective. Everything is relative. Everything is subjective.



Everything is different depending on the viewer i did say brainwashed i take that back that was me making a mere taunt due to the fact Americans are known for being Trigger happy.

My reasoning for this was just to say just because someone steps on your land without permission that alone should never be reason alone to shoot.

I apologize i took that to far but i still stand by my point that the whole basis of that as a society is disgusting.
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America is a massive country with differing views throughout.

Take California. The mere mention of guns makes people shit themselves there. Or New York.

On the other side of the spectrum you have Texas and Florida. We love guns.
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byClear wrote:


Ryulightorb wrote:


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We don't have a bolt action 16 gauge in our house for nothing.


Jesus christ some of you are violent you would shoot an unarmed robber i bet...


I would, I wouldn't know they're unarmed and I wouldn't let them get close enough to find out.


Jeez the shoot first ask questions later mentality is real with Americans


I'm probably one of the least American people you'll ever meet, but if you break into my home you get the consequences.
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