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I'm Catholic and sometimes I don't get the Church. She says that homosexuals should be treated with respect and not be discriminated against but yet she is against gay marriage.


I'm not the most religious person but I think they have a reason for that. Granted some people who do that really are just jerks, but not all of them. So this is what I think the church generally means but in easy to understand terms: Homosexuals are people too and as such you should treat them well as if they were human beings too. However, homosexuality is against gods intended purpose and as such we do not condone it.

That is generally what they are saying I think. Also I was told by people I know who have read the bible cover to cover many times and have good theological knowledge that they are against gay marriage, not gay rights. They say that they should be able to have all the benifits and rights of a legally married couple and they should be able to do what they want, it just should not be called marriage.

So yes, the church thinks that heterosexuality is a sin. No they do not try and stop gays from getting (most) rights. Granted, this is only the people that really know what they are talking about. I know plenty of christians who do not know a word of what they are talking about that are against everything gay saying, "they should all just die" or, "They will never be forgiven" etc. etc. Just want to point out the second one is false. God can forgive any one of any sin. I think there is one exception to what I just said but I don't recall it.
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Reaction? After a few attempted fruitless arguments I typically just hide my rainbow flags under my ass.


Flying flags is for war. Try building the peace, and see what happens.
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PrinceJudar wrote:
Reaction? After a few attempted fruitless arguments I typically just hide my rainbow flags under my ass.


Flying flags is for war. Try building the peace, and see what happens.


I was thinking more of the cheerleading type of flag, mate.
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LOL I love how ignorant people are. A Phobia is a FEAR. the only TRUE "Homophobe" is someone who is AFRAID of a Homosexual. So someone who is just disgusted by them or disagrees with their lifestyle is just a regular person. Stop labeling everyone as "homophobic" because it just shows your level of education is seriously lacking.


It sounds to me that the person the OP is talking about does fear homosexuality. Some people hate what they fear.

My old churches were like this.

They do let unmarried mothers into church but they make sure they know they're in disgrace. They disapprove of gays too. They talk about that as a depravity.
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You people getting technical with the definition, most dictionaries use it to describe fear or hatred of homosexuals. Pull your panties out of your ass.

Anyway, I talk to at least one daily. Ello family.



Reaction? After a few attempted fruitless arguments I typically just hide my rainbow flags under my ass.


Why under your ass, why not in a drawer or under the bed?
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there's no reason to hate homophobes. you don't hate the mentally handicapped, or physically disabled, or unintelligent animal when it urinates all over your carpet. just accept that their mental faculties aren't sufficiently developed to think for themselves, and pity them.
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Yeah my dad is, he gets very defensive when confronted about it but if you heard the way he talks about people then you'd know what he's like.
Which is unfortunate as I hope to come out this year, I don't know if I'll ever be able to tell directly though.
Luckily I haven't met many other homophobic people, guess things are improving thankfully
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LOL I love how ignorant people are. A Phobia is a FEAR. the only TRUE "Homophobe" is someone who is AFRAID of a Homosexual. So someone who is just disgusted by them or disagrees with their lifestyle is just a regular person. Stop labeling everyone as "homophobic" because it just shows your level of education is seriously lacking.


Language changes itself to suit the needs of the people who use it. I agree to some extent that the -phobia morpheme isn't used in precisely its normal context in this word, but it's far from the only word we use whose roots aren't a perfect literal translation of its meaning. The concept is related, so it's not a huge deal, and more importantly, your average English-speaker defines "homophobia" in the same way as it's used in this thread. If a word is commonly used to mean a certain thing, then it does mean that thing. Language's role is to cater to our communicative needs. It doesn't always evolve in the most sensible way, but it doesn't evolve for no reason, either.
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HuastecoOtaku wrote:

I had heard people say mean things about homosexuals before but never like the person I met today. She told me that gays are so degenerate and evil that salvation is not availble to them. She said that a gay person is so engulfed in evil that he or she will never be forgiven by God. I told her that only God knows what's in our hearts but she insisted that gays are a lost cause. I was flabbergasted at how hateful and cruel she was.

So have you ever met a homophobe before? How did you react?


Have I ever met one who was "afraid" of them, because they thought they were strange creatures of the devil, and had their little minds confused because they didn't look like everyone else? Um...no. But then, I don't get out as much.

Have I ever met one who disliked them, in finding them shallow, petty, narcissistic, vindictive, misogynistic, discontented, throwing immature tantrums at their own private demons and blaming the world for it, and starved for attention in trying to manipulate their way into a culture that doesn't particularly find them as charming in real life as they find themselves?
Why, yes, I saw one of those folk today. When I looked in the mirror.


If you tar all homosexuals with that brush indiscriminately. Which you seem to do, then I'd call that homophobia.

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LOL I love how ignorant people are. A Phobia is a FEAR. the only TRUE "Homophobe" is someone who is AFRAID of a Homosexual. So someone who is just disgusted by them or disagrees with their lifestyle is just a regular person. Stop labeling everyone as "homophobic" because it just shows your level of education is seriously lacking.


You're confusing the word's etymology with its definition. The fact of the matter, aside from the word homophobia itself, there's no all-encompassing word for discrimination against people who are gay as there is for race (racism) or sex (sexism). Homophobia fills the void (or "lexical gap" if you want to be pedantic). You can look up nearly any reasonably respected dictionary and find they define homophobia not *just* by its etymology, but rather as something to the effect of "discrimination against people who are gay."

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I probably have, but quite frankly, if someone like that approached me I'd just continue walking and ignore them, and if they seriously bother me, probably take the lid off my coffee and have them serve java on their skin. I have a low tolerance for bullshit.
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HuastecoOtaku wrote:

I had heard people say mean things about homosexuals before but never like the person I met today. She told me that gays are so degenerate and evil that salvation is not availble to them. She said that a gay person is so engulfed in evil that he or she will never be forgiven by God. I told her that only God knows what's in our hearts but she insisted that gays are a lost cause. I was flabbergasted at how hateful and cruel she was.

So have you ever met a homophobe before? How did you react?


Have I ever met one who was "afraid" of them, because they thought they were strange creatures of the devil, and had their little minds confused because they didn't look like everyone else? Um...no. But then, I don't get out as much.

Have I ever met one who disliked them, in finding them shallow, petty, narcissistic, vindictive, misogynistic, discontented, throwing immature tantrums at their own private demons and blaming the world for it, and starved for attention in trying to manipulate their way into a culture that doesn't particularly find them as charming in real life as they find themselves?
Why, yes, I saw one of those folk today. When I looked in the mirror.





Saske_K wrote:

LOL I love how ignorant people are. A Phobia is a FEAR. the only TRUE "Homophobe" is someone who is AFRAID of a Homosexual. So someone who is just disgusted by them or disagrees with their lifestyle is just a regular person. Stop labeling everyone as "homophobic" because it just shows your level of education is seriously lacking.


The definition from the oxford dictionary of homophobia:

Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Here it is from the merriam-webster dictionary:

aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals


Just saying that it isn't JUST a fear... There are definitions that state it's a fear, but I wanted to show you guys that it can also be a disliking and prejudice of homosexuals...
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My brother in law used to be scared of gay people lol No like really scared
not "oh you hate gays so your a homophobe". I used to ask him why and
he said he didn't know just left weird around them. Its weird cause over the
years he just changed and it doesn't bother him anymore. I always laughed
at him about that, irrational fears...

Does anyone have an Aunt Michael/Uncle Michelle in the family? I did. My
dads brother was the gayest gay man I had ever seen. I think that's why I
never had a problem with them. He wasn't bad but he was on drugs which
made him steal from us /sigh... In the end the drugs killed him indirectly...
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My maternal grandmother is a homophobe…
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Most people have.

People hate eachother for all kinds of stupid shit, not exactly anything that surprises me.
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LOL I love how ignorant people are. A Phobia is a FEAR. the only TRUE "Homophobe" is someone who is AFRAID of a Homosexual. So someone who is just disgusted by them or disagrees with their lifestyle is just a regular person. Stop labeling everyone as "homophobic" because it just shows your level of education is seriously lacking.


The definition from the oxford dictionary of homophobia:

Dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people.

Here it is from the merriam-webster dictionary:

aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals


Just saying that it isn't JUST a fear... There are definitions that state it's a fear, but I wanted to show you guys that it can also be a disliking and prejudice of homosexuals...


Let's just not get so wishfully full of ourselves as to TAKE it only meaning "fear" (as the other definitions would shift blame a bit), at the expense of all other Merriam-Webster definitions--
Otherwise, we run the risk of sounding like gamer/Trek/SW nerds inside the safety of their own convention hall, delusionally reassuring themselves of their own coolness despite the hostile outside world, believing that the said rest of the world is either burning with private complexes or insane with jealousy:
"They pH3ar our Mad Skillz! "

While it's easily possible to dislike, it's nearly impossible to "fear" something that desperately annoys you, unless anyone here has a deep-rooted childhood terror of Justin Bieber or found-footage horror movies--We don't "fear" Twilight fans or Bronies, we just wish we had some effective way of making them find something else to do.
The very root of Annoyance comes from a feeling of passive superiority toward loud and unstoppable inferiority--As in, you're bothered by someone loudly, happily, and so full of themselves in making the same social mistakes you would rather a human being not make, and the burning, mounting resentment and sense of helpless frustration toward our fair and democratic culture that forbids our avenging and enforcing the social discipline observed by all the other average people by slapping some sense into them on the side of the head.
So, we sit there...silent...uncomplaining....and happily taking it all as the stranger next to us on the subway, with no concern or biding awareness of the other human beings around him, continues to drone the same one verse of the song he heard on the radio, off-key, and continually getting the lyrics wrong each time. (Insert YouTube clip of Eddie Murphy screeching "Roxanne" along with his radio, from "48 Hours".)
Our reaction is not by dictionary-definition Fear, but boy, can it still spark homicidal urges.
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