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As a lesbian...supporter, I've argued with a few bigoted people. They never give me a non-religious reason why homosexuality is wrong, so therefore I think their shitty people. If that makes sense.
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religion = source of all hate and bigotry


Human Heart = source of all hate and bigotry

Never met a "Homophobe"; plenty of Christiphobes though.

People will use religion as a gateway to bigotry sure ...but they will also use irreligion, sexuality, philosophy, etc. - if by religion you mean Christianity, Jesus fought against it in His day - disobedience to His message would be at fault.

I think the Catholic church has gotten a lot better at dealing with molesting priests but the people who keep citing the church seem to forget the molesting teachers ...a far bigger problem; sounds like bigotry to me.
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dougeprofile wrote:


Frithy wrote:

religion = source of all hate and bigotry


Human Heart = source of all hate and bigotry

Never met a "Homophobe"; plenty of Christiphobes though.


well naturally, humans will always somehow misinterpret and bend things for their own benefit. But religion and other forms of belief provide a gateway to bigotry and feelings of self importance and even superiority.
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dougeprofile wrote:


Frithy wrote:

religion = source of all hate and bigotry


Human Heart = source of all hate and bigotry

Never met a "Homophobe"; plenty of Christiphobes though.


The heart pumps blood; it does no thinking.

And of course you have met plenty of people that despise religion. That position to have is totally rational and logical, while being homophobic is irrational and unnecessary.
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dougeprofile wrote:


Frithy wrote:

religion = source of all hate and bigotry


Human Heart = source of all hate and bigotry

Never met a "Homophobe"; plenty of Christiphobes though.


Sure you haven't
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well naturally, humans will always somehow misinterpret and bend things for their own benefit. But religion and other forms of belief provide a gateway to bigotry and feelings of self importance and even superiority.


Good point.
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I think that it is important to distinguish the difference between homophobia and belief in traditional marriage. I feel people often like to group these two together as if they are the same thing. You can believe in traditional marriage and not be homophobic. When I think of homophobic people, I think of members of the Westboro Baptist Church and members of ISIS WHO WILL LITERALLY KILL YOU IF YOU ARE GAY. (Then again, I think they will kill just about ANYONE that doesn't agree with their religion.) So the next time you want to label someone homophobic for stating their beliefs in an appropriate manner...


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I am homophobe. studding a subject such laws teach me that people bring into politics whatever they want, even if it is functional or not to society.
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And of course you have met plenty of people that despise religion. That position to have is totally rational and logical, while being homophobic is irrational and unnecessary.


I don't think the problem is the fact that you are a homophobe/hate religion. The problem is people are all up in the others face about it. There are plenty of religious people who are super, super, crazy about all sorts of things, half of which don't realize that religion usually is not telling people to get in someones face and tell them they are wrong. On the other hand there are all sorts of anti-religion nuts who are up in religious peoples faces yelling at them and telling them god can not exist. Again I have never come across a piece of science that has disproven god, granted there is no hard evidence saying he is real either. In short it's not the hate of something that is the problem it is the fact that you have to shove your opinion on everyone else. If you hate religion go ahead keep at it just don't tell us all and yell at churches. You hate gays? Same thing.
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Kuschelpython wrote:
And of course you have met plenty of people that despise religion. That position to have is totally rational and logical, while being homophobic is irrational and unnecessary.


I don't think the problem is the fact that you are a homophobe/hate religion. The problem is people are all up in the others face about it. There are plenty of religious people who are super, super, crazy about all sorts of things, half of which don't realize that religion usually is not telling people to get in someones face and tell them they are wrong. On the other hand there are all sorts of anti-religion nuts who are up in religious peoples faces yelling at them and telling them god can not exist. Again I have never come across a piece of science that has disproven god, granted there is no hard evidence saying he is real either. In short it's not the hate of something that is the problem it is the fact that you have to shove your opinion on everyone else. If you hate religion go ahead keep at it just don't tell us all and yell at churches. You hate gays? Same thing.


No, it's not the same thing. It is perfectly fine to dislike something on a rational basis. Dislike for gay people has no rational basis. Being gay does not make you a worse person, nor has having sex with someone of the same gender any negative impact on you or your environment.

Religion on the other hand, demands people to shut down their critical faculties, discriminate against homosexuals, murder infidels, mutilate children, sabotage the education system and make the world a worse place in general, all in order to increase its influence. Dislike for a man-made menace like this has a rational basis.

And I'm emphazising religion here for a reason. Not because I'd like to "shove my opinion into other people's faces", but because it is the main reason for homophobia in the world.
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Kuschelpython wrote:


Lukewolf40 wrote:


Kuschelpython wrote:
And of course you have met plenty of people that despise religion. That position to have is totally rational and logical, while being homophobic is irrational and unnecessary.


I don't think the problem is the fact that you are a homophobe/hate religion. The problem is people are all up in the others face about it. There are plenty of religious people who are super, super, crazy about all sorts of things, half of which don't realize that religion usually is not telling people to get in someones face and tell them they are wrong. On the other hand there are all sorts of anti-religion nuts who are up in religious peoples faces yelling at them and telling them god can not exist. Again I have never come across a piece of science that has disproven god, granted there is no hard evidence saying he is real either. In short it's not the hate of something that is the problem it is the fact that you have to shove your opinion on everyone else. If you hate religion go ahead keep at it just don't tell us all and yell at churches. You hate gays? Same thing.


No, it's not the same thing. It is perfectly fine to dislike something on a rational basis. Dislike for gay people has no rational basis. Being gay does not make you a worse person, nor has having sex with someone of the same gender any negative impact on you or your environment.

Religion on the other hand, demands people to shut down their critical faculties, discriminate against homosexuals, murder infidels, mutilate children, sabotage the education system and make the world a worse place in general, all in order to increase its influence. Dislike for a man-made menace like this has a rational basis.

And I'm emphazising religion here for a reason. Not because I'd like to "shove my opinion into other people's faces", but because it is the main reason for homophobia in the world.


That's why countries like Syria and Iraq don't tolerate homosexuality. Islam is pretty strong there. I'm sure we'd still be hating on them if Christianity hadn't lost its influence. What I'm trying to say is, religion has done a lot to ruin the image of homosexuality.
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Lukewolf40 wrote:


Kuschelpython wrote:
And of course you have met plenty of people that despise religion. That position to have is totally rational and logical, while being homophobic is irrational and unnecessary.


I don't think the problem is the fact that you are a homophobe/hate religion. The problem is people are all up in the others face about it. There are plenty of religious people who are super, super, crazy about all sorts of things, half of which don't realize that religion usually is not telling people to get in someones face and tell them they are wrong.
If you hate religion go ahead keep at it just don't tell us all and yell at churches. You hate gays? Same thing.


Basically both have the same problem:
Because the "Different!"-ness that they feel establishes their identity is invisible (not like race or ethinicity or handicap), most people on the street wouldn't know it unless the person TOLD them.
And if they felt it was the central core to their identity--often for lack of anything else--the need would be to tell them...constantly. At every opportunity. In every context. Even to the point of resenting some "conspiracy" that the other person wasn't talking about it, and was probably avoiding it due to deep burning social complexes.
(Seriously, I've run into a few types on other forums that cry "Social intolerance! The mainstream's conspiracy of silence to push us back into our place!" every time a majority of posters tells the SJW to quit riding the Rainbow pony for the Nth time already, sheesh.)

If you have to talk to your straight friend about how gay you are, you...either don't have a lot of subjects for conversation, or just don't possess a brimming curiosity in hearing what the other person has to say or wants to talk about.
The latter, I've discovered, is a very, very, very, very, VERY distinct possibility.
(Although the LGBT's deep and abiding love of themselves enough to bring themselves up in every conversation is different from the Atheist's fear and paranoia of the outside world, where other people must be "punished" or "humiliated" by listening to the speaker's different views, that'll show them deluded unicorn-loving Bush-voters who sent us to Iraq!)

The line in X-Men 2 that was supposed to make fun of straights--"Bobby, have you tried not being a mutant?"--has now turned around and become something of a rallying cry for weary straights who don't want to see the Precious Little Pixies dominate every single bit of attention in the room because they feel self-actualized enough to, of being dismissed as intolerant 50's Bible-thumpers before they even open their mouths, and don't want to be lynched, schoolyard-dogpiled and declared non-persons by the Rainbow Mafia if they do. (The LGBT's plan-of-attack response to any one bit of censure is to gang up, display how many of them there are, frustrate him with their unwavering plentitude, to show how they're going to take over the world someday and majority his unreasonableness into extinction once the rest of the world finally stands up and says how cool they are!....Which, again, pretty much falls in line with the general Picked-On Star Wars Nerd strategy.)
Ie., "Yeah, have you? Like, y'know, just for a refreshing change of pace, to break up the monotony, once in a while?"
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I was in the service with a guy ,(Yeah 40 years later we still keep in touch), that became a Lutheran Minister of good standing that just disowned one of his grandchildren because he was gay. He cited religious grounds and I told him he's just a bigot using his religion to discriminate.He just laughs at me because my views on religion are well known.
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People have a right to their opinions. You have the right not to listen. Tolerance works both ways,
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People have a right to their opinions. You have the right not to listen. Tolerance works both ways,


So does consideration. "Respect my place, you bigot!" does not get much.
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