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Should immigrants have to assimilate?
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They absolutely should at least try. Nobody is telling them that they have to give up their culture and language. They DO have to adapt to the new society they are striving to become a part of. To become a member of the group, assimilation is important, if not necessary. What is the point of just having what are essentially large cliques squeezed into one space if there's just going to be friction and conflict?

To enter another's homeland with plans to stay a long time or permanently and refuse to learn the rules or understand the customs is both counterproductive and lazy. There are appropriate times and ways to express your background through what you do, but that is no excuse to not learn the proper etiquette.

Their country, their society, their rules. If their lives and values are so terrible that you don't feel it is fair for you to learn them, what are you doing there in the first place? Learning the values of others is simply not that hard. I don't really understand individuals who try to wrench everyone else the direction they are going when he is the newcomer. Adapt, dammit. You move yourself to get to places you want to go. You don't try to move the land underneath you in order to end up somewhere else. It just doesn't make sense.
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Culture isn't always wonderful food and happy dancing. It's also cutting the clits off women and marrying them off at 13 while not letting them go to school. You take some of the good, with the bad.

So yes, they need to learn the greater language and social mores of the place they have moved too.


Yup which is why i feel the answer is no we shouldn't force people to have our culture to a full degree and let them have there own culture to a degree that respects the law , human rights etc.

Some women wear those weird cloth face masks here and it's all cool because that's a culture and its not hurting anyone.
Heck alot of people sometimes eat with chopsticks etc (thanks Japan and China )

our food trade govenrment and people / language are all influenced by cultures all over the world.

And that in my opinion is a great thing.
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idk i just want to try new foods

to an extent of course
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Ryulightorb wrote:
Here in Australia we are multicultural unlike the us for example we welcome any culture and will gladly share our culture with others and theres with us.

In the end aslong as you speak english can communicate and not offend others and break the laws going by your countrys culture is 100% fine


One of these is not like the other.




how is it not we gladly accept peoples cultures and do so all the time (to a degree like we won't allow the marrying of 13 year olds)
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shouldn't be breaking the law if you can't speak english anyways




To enter another's homeland with plans to stay a long time or permanently and refuse to learn the rules or understand the customs is both counterproductive and lazy. There are appropriate times and ways to express your background through what you do, but that is no excuse to not learn the proper etiquette.


its easier to say do it
but when you actually do it , it's harder
not everyone can learn

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ignitingmemories wrote:




To enter another's homeland with plans to stay a long time or permanently and refuse to learn the rules or understand the customs is both counterproductive and lazy. There are appropriate times and ways to express your background through what you do, but that is no excuse to not learn the proper etiquette.


its easier to say do it
but when you actually do it , it's harder
not everyone can learn


It isn't that hard. I've done it. You put in the effort to learn and you'll usually learn something. You don't have to be a paragon of a the perfect assimilation but it doesn't hurt to learn. If I can learn a new language in two or three years by reading, I find it hard to imagine that other people are unable to learn bits and pieces after living in another country for a decade.

I don't believe that millions of people are simply unable to learn. They wouldn't be alive if that were the case. I see laziness and pride. Even if you're working a minimum wage job with people not of your background, you pick up on their mannerisms and values. I almost think a person has to consciously detest assimilation in order to not change at all after being in another country for a decade.

It's easier to say you want to be responsible than to actually do it. Not everyone can be responsible. Well, everyone should still probably try to be.
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To enter another's homeland with plans to stay a long time or permanently and refuse to learn the rules or understand the customs is both counterproductive and lazy. There are appropriate times and ways to express your background through what you do, but that is no excuse to not learn the proper etiquette.


its easier to say do it
but when you actually do it , it's harder
not everyone can learn


Sure they can, or they can get their happy ass deported.
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I think it's only common sense for immigrants to be able to speak the language of the country they are going to be living in. I don't care about the culture part myself. If I go to Japan I will need to speak Japanese. The same applies to immigrants of USA. Our constitution was written in English, therefore our official language is English and you should be required to speak English. While it is nice if you can speak your native language, you should not expect people to cater to you and speak in your native language because you can't be bothered to learn the primary language of the country you are going to live in.
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ignitingmemories wrote:




To enter another's homeland with plans to stay a long time or permanently and refuse to learn the rules or understand the customs is both counterproductive and lazy. There are appropriate times and ways to express your background through what you do, but that is no excuse to not learn the proper etiquette.


its easier to say do it
but when you actually do it , it's harder
not everyone can learn


Sure they can, or they can get their happy ass deported.


Agreed
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Sure they can, or they can get their happy ass deported.


may i ask what is your race?
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well i expected this to be your answer of course. lmao
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ignitingmemories wrote:

may i ask what is your race?


Why?

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Why?



just a simple question lmao
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just a simple question lmao


Yeah, it's a simple question that's been answered quite a few times already in this forum and in threads you've posted in and about. Which is why I'm wondering how you've forgot.
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ignitingmemories wrote:
well i expected this to be your answer of course. lmao


If you move to a country and don't at least make an effort to assimilate and respect the local culture you deserve to get kicked out.
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