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Post Reply The Kim Davis controversy: are religious beliefs a valid reason to break the law?
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A topic where the CR forums are in agreement? It's... so beautiful... Is this how a waifu gets her wings?



Not just any topic. A topic that has to do with religion and politics. 3 pages and no fights. This thread deserves some kind of award.
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The government signs her pay checks now Jesus. If she didn't like the way the law shakes out she could have resigned. Also her being married 4 times is more an affront to marriage then two gay people getting married
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Any type of religion that goes this far is ridiculous and people should probably reevaluate their lives.
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Wow . . . agreement...

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If you look at the woman's past you have to wonder just what moral Christian values she could possibly be talking about. I noticed she never quoted chapter and verse and nobody seems to have asked her what the basis for all of her hissy-fitting is about..
I just think she doesn't really know and she just seems to need to hate someone or make a spectacle of herself.... and this is the easiest thing to do...
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We are defined as a Crhistian nation with a secular government as clearly laid out in the writings of the Founding Fathers. The Declaration of Independence - which is our founding document - does indeed mention God - the constitution is the how that (secular) government was to be organized.

Even though Marriage can only exist between a man and a woman and even though Obererfell was wrongly adjudicated, it is still the law (until more justices are appointed who will overturn it; or we pass a constitutional amendment (not going to happen)). The Judge who sent Kim Davis to jail (a bit extreme) accommodated her religious convictions as he should have done - all she had to do was allow her subordinates to issue the licenses. If she can't do that, then yes she should resign.

Not participating in a same sex ceremony through the creative process of making a cake or arranging flowers is a proper exercise of freedom of conscience (some same sex couple want to force their beliefs on shop owners so much the look for stores with Christian owners) - but working for the government is completely different; she has a right to her beliefs (which I share), but she does not have a right to work for the government. Kim is being unfairly charged with hypocrisy on one point however - her conversion came after her divorces; oh, and she is a Democrat; PLEASE Kim, I beg you - Do not write a book!

There are REAL issues of religious liberty to defend - issues conservatives can win on ...Kim Davis is not one of those issues; rather she conflates those issues by fighting a battle that cannot be won.
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The responses in this topic made me regain my faith in humanity.
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Not in the slightest, aside from her invalid reason and denying rights to those who just recently obtained it, as a personnel of the U.S. govt she has the duty to uphold the laws that have been set place. So its not that she is breaking the law she is pretty much not even doing her job which she was appointed to (which she can't even fired from, -insane-).
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I am so tempted to start trolling this thread just to start up an argument... But I'm not that mean so I think I'll refrain from doing so
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CKD-Anime wrote:

Personal beliefs > Law


Not harming others > personal beliefs

Don't like your job. QUIT

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Well, we're lucky, it could have gone the other way--
We could have had a pro-gay marriage clerk who started letting his or her feelings intrude on their job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRvuXu1_iF0
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Posted 9/10/15

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


CKD-Anime wrote:

Personal beliefs > Law

Don't like your job. QUIT


Personal beliefs > Everything

Which people should do. I've walked away from higher paying jobs to find a more enjoyable job.

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Goes to Row 9 Register 11.
"where is my bacon?"
"What about the bacon?!"
....
"I ate it"
"and the cake?"
"That too"

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Posted 9/10/15
no.
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dougeprofile wrote:

We are defined as a Crhistian nation with a secular government as clearly laid out in the writings of the Founding Fathers. The Declaration of Independence - which is our founding document - does indeed mention God - the constitution is the how that (secular) government was to be organized.

Even though Marriage can only exist between a man and a woman and even though Obererfell was wrongly adjudicated, it is still the law (until more justices are appointed who will overturn it; or we pass a constitutional amendment (not going to happen)). The Judge who sent Kim Davis to jail (a bit extreme) accommodated her religious convictions as he should have done - all she had to do was allow her subordinates to issue the licenses. If she can't do that, then yes she should resign.

Not participating in a same sex ceremony through the creative process of making a cake or arranging flowers is a proper exercise of freedom of conscience (some same sex couple want to force their beliefs on shop owners so much the look for stores with Christian owners) - but working for the government is completely different; she has a right to her beliefs (which I share), but she does not have a right to work for the government. Kim is being unfairly charged with hypocrisy on one point however - her conversion came after her divorces; oh, and she is a Democrat; PLEASE Kim, I beg you - Do not write a book!

There are REAL issues of religious liberty to defend - issues conservatives can win on ...Kim Davis is not one of those issues; rather she conflates those issues by fighting a battle that cannot be won.


America isn't or defined as a Christian nation also where does the DOI mention god
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I just don't understand how they didn't make her sign a contract before she got into office saying that if she couldn't do her job for whatever reason that it would be grounds for dismissal.

That said, I'm hoping the court will be keeping a close eye on her from this point on in case she fires one of her poor clerks who have been put in an awful position of either losing their job or defying the court order. Christians should be protesting Kim Davis considering how bad she is making them look by pretending that discrimination is a Godly act. I'm not even Christian and I'm just embarrassed to be a human being next to someone like that.
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