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Posted 9/9/15 , edited 9/10/15
During a lecture my business law professor said "vengeance isn't self defense". Revenge meaning a person hits someone as a response to being hit. According to law, a reasonable person would walk away and not retaliate.

Shocking? Not really, this same idea has been taught since primary school. If someone hits you, report it to a teacher, don't ever hit them back. What do you think of this? It's unfair if you came out as the only injured party. Shouldn't you be able to hit them back?

This topic strictly covers assault and/or battery***
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Most of the time, the consequences from hitting them back aren't worth it. So, in my opinion, it's better to take the hit and walk away. Hitting them back just gives them another reason to hit you again.
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Posted 9/9/15 , edited 9/10/15
So declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor wasn't self defense, but an act of aggression?
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In my opinion, it is not self defense unless you are reacting immediately to an offense made against you. (Like hitting back if you are hit, telling the teacher right away, ect.)

Planning out revenge is a very different tactic. And I don't believe that it can be put into the self-defense category.

I also think that vengeance can be just as bad in some cases. It takes a strong person to walk away from the issue and let it be.
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Posted 9/9/15 , edited 9/9/15
After the act has occurred, further acts in response are no longer preventative. You can't defend yourself from something that has already happened. Acts of vengeance only serve to increase damage. You also aren't allowed any preemptive attacks against someone you merely suspect might attack you.

Although an attacker may deserve punishment, it is generally agreed that the legal system should be responsible for giving punishments, not victims. Otherwise you end up with vigilante justice.

Vengeance and retribution aren't the same, either, which is pretty interesting.
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Posted 9/9/15

FlyinDumpling wrote:

"vengeance isn't self defense".


Depends on the state and/or what you are talking about.
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Posted 9/9/15
Anime has taught me that vengeance is a bad thing, so no.
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pirththee wrote:

So declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor wasn't self defense, but an act of aggression?


If the attack is life threatening, then, by all means, attack back (though I don't think OP was referring to such a large scale event like Pearl Harbor).

Basically:
If punched, walk it off. If threaten or attacked with a knife, gun, etc., do what needs to be done to protect yourself. Though, as with everything, there are always exceptions.
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Revenge as in, someone does something to you, then you later do something to them? Of course not.
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Posted 9/9/15 , edited 9/9/15
Self defense is reacting immediately to an act of violence against you to prevent further damage on your person. Example, blocking a hit or rendering the attacker from moving any more.

Vengeance is more going back to stab the person who punched you. It's usually more out of anger and a lot more violent the the original assault.
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If a person attacks once for a short period, revenge after the fact is wrong. If the case of attackers who do not stop, you are allowed to defend your self to the equivalent of the attack.

It is better to avoid, block, or parry than to get hit.
It is better to not get into a situation that would result in getting hit.
If you can't do the top two. Maneuver yourself to a spot where a camera will capture the event. Physical evidence is important.
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Posted 9/9/15 , edited 9/9/15

RainyPudding wrote:


pirththee wrote:

So declaring war on Japan after Pearl Harbor wasn't self defense, but an act of aggression?


If the attack is life threatening, then, by all means, attack back (though I don't think OP was referring to such a large scale event like Pearl Harbor).

Basically:
If punched, walk it off. If threaten or attacked with a knife, gun, etc., do what needs to be done to protect yourself. Though, as with everything, there are always exceptions.


It's been my experience that violent encounters happen so quickly that one rarely gets a chance to read the attackers mission statement,weapon choices, or apparent intent before you find yourself trying to dodge 150 grains of PB goodness that is displaying an all too persistent offensive capability.While you're weighing your options they will be notifying your next of kin.
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Posted 9/10/15 , edited 9/10/15
"Revenge is never about the greater good. It’s a visceral need that has to be satisfied or the strong loses focus.” -Damian Pope
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Posted 9/10/15 , edited 9/10/15
Look at sasuke and what he went through almost all of his life. Theres lessons to be learned through anime and that's why I love it so.
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Posted 9/10/15 , edited 9/19/15
Vengeance is bad and unnecessary... Unless you're Batman.
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