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animegirl2222 wrote:


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I think trigger warnings can be helpful for people, such as people with photosensitive epilepsy. Images that could possibly induce a seizure should be tagged as such.


Uh… not to burst your bubble, but you don't see a lot of people with severe epilepsy on the internet.


http://horticulture.fullcoll.edu/DianesGG/GuardiansoftheGarden.html

Not after visiting this page.

TriggerWarning. Japanese Seizure Robots.

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that guy sounds like a dick (pun folks), I doubt very much that most trauma victims are resilient, which is why the trauma screw them up. I am still screwed up from the trauma I have faced over a decade ago, and one of my dearest friends still has nightmares of her rape, the idea that trigger warnings are harmful is utter nonsense. People will face their trauma when and how they are able, shoving it down their throats will only do more harm to them.


Really? He sounds like a dick because he said most trauma victims are resilient? I'm willing to bet most don't start convulsing on the floor because one of the poems in class 'triggered' them. Are you seriously telling me you think it's cool students are hounding their professors for trigger warnings and censoring artwork because it bloody fuckin' triggered their whittle feelings? Are you seriously saying the world must cater to people in such significant ways?

Trigger warnings can't be harmful? Well, that's one way to make it obvious you didn't watch the video in the original post.

Oh yeah and most psychologists agree, trigger warnings are harmful for honest victims. I'm more tempted to listen to the 'dick headed' psychologists over you.



More on the babying of the American populace:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/


Rather, trigger warnings are sometimes demanded for a long list of ideas and attitudes that some students find politically offensive, in the name of preventing other students from being harmed. This is an example of what psychologists call “motivated reasoning”—we spontaneously generate arguments for conclusions we want to support. Once you find something hateful, it is easy to argue that exposure to the hateful thing could traumatize some other people. You believe that you know how others will react, and that their reaction could be devastating. Preventing that devastation becomes a moral obligation for the whole community. Books for which students have called publicly for trigger warnings within the past couple of years include Virginia Woolf’s Mrs. Dalloway (at Rutgers, for “suicidal inclinations”) and Ovid’s Metamorphoses (at Columbia, for sexual assault).



Students who call for trigger warnings may be correct that some of their peers are harboring memories of trauma that could be reactivated by course readings. But they are wrong to try to prevent such reactivations. Students with PTSD should of course get treatment, but they should not try to avoid normal life, with its many opportunities for habituation. Classroom discussions are safe places to be exposed to incidental reminders of trauma (such as the word violate). A discussion of violence is unlikely to be followed by actual violence, so it is a good way to help students change the associations that are causing them discomfort. And they’d better get their habituation done in college, because the world beyond college will be far less willing to accommodate requests for trigger warnings and opt-outs.



The expansive use of trigger warnings may also foster unhealthy mental habits in the vastly larger group of students who do not suffer from PTSD or other anxiety disorders. People acquire their fears not just from their own past experiences, but from social learning as well. If everyone around you acts as though something is dangerous—elevators, certain neighborhoods, novels depicting racism—then you are at risk of acquiring that fear too. The psychiatrist Sarah Roff pointed this out last year in an online article for The Chronicle of Higher Education. “One of my biggest concerns about trigger warnings,” Roff wrote, “is that they will apply not just to those who have experienced trauma, but to all students, creating an atmosphere in which they are encouraged to believe that there is something dangerous or damaging about discussing difficult aspects of our history.”... In an article published last year by Inside Higher Ed, seven humanities professors wrote that the trigger-warning movement was “already having a chilling effect on [their] teaching and pedagogy.” They reported their colleagues’ receiving “phone calls from deans and other administrators investigating student complaints that they have included ‘triggering’ material in their courses, with or without warnings.” A trigger warning, they wrote, “serves as a guarantee that students will not experience unexpected discomfort and implies that if they do, a contract has been broken.” When students come to expect trigger warnings for any material that makes them uncomfortable, the easiest way for faculty to stay out of trouble is to avoid material that might upset the most sensitive student in the class.


Oh yeah trigger warnings are not harmful my ass. It's only been used in a way for politically correct imbeciles to avoid topics, conversations and people they don't like in the name of their 'feel good' motivations.

This isn't just some online hyped phenomenon anymore if that's what you mistakeningly assumed. It started with internet trends. It was okay as an uncessessay courtesy (not forced). Yah know the old fashioned 'beware extreme gore ahead'? Now it is absolutely pervading into American colleges and universities in significant and appalling ways. Into news articles. It's out of control.
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Trigger warnings are awesome, they help me to filter useful content from useless, time wasting shit; trigger warnings are almost exclusively used for the later. People who use them hardly ever contribute anything that might even come close to being borderline useful.
In the grand picture, I wouldn't mind declaring people who claim to need them to be legally retarded and required to consult a social worker for anything that goes beyond picking the colour of the socks they are going to wear today. Also I think it might help if we would require people to have worked a bone breaking minimum wage job somewhere for half a year before they are allowed entrance to college, might put some perspective in some of those special snowflakes.
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Trigger warnings are awesome, they help me to filter useful content from useless, time wasting shit; trigger warnings are almost exclusively used for the later. People who use them hardly ever contribute anything that might even come close to being borderline useful.
In the grand picture, I wouldn't mind declaring people who claim to need them to be legally retarded and required to consult a social worker for anything that goes beyond picking the colour of the socks they are going to wear today. Also I think it might help if we would require people to have worked a bone breaking minimum wage job somewhere for half a year before they are allowed entrance to college, might put some perspective in some of those special snowflakes.


This is a bit blunt, but yeah, this. I know a lot of the people who use this crap are children but if this snowflake crap trails them into adulthood by all means please make sure they don't ruin anything sacred and for the love of god I would even say don't let them procreate until they get some sense in their dumb noggins. Their mannerisms would pretty much be harmful to a baby. Since most of them have the maturation of a child mentally and emotionally, they shouldn't be having children. Good god.
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Damn I thought this was World Trigger Post....
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This thread is filled with empathy.
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animegirl2222 wrote:

A trigger is not something that makes you mildly uncomfortable. That's what people don't get. It's something that spirals you into panic, based on the fact that it reminds you of a bad memory of event. Triggers, actual ones, usually occur with PTSD victims, usually veterans. But we can't let the Tumblrites know that a Cis White Male Veteran possibly has PTSD because he's a Cis White Male Veteran and by their logic, he can't have PTSD. Says the bitches claiming thier parents telling them to clean their room gave them PTSD.


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Richard McNally, a Harvard psychologist and expert on anxiety disorders, recently published a review of the relevant research which suggests that these warnings do more harm than good. It turns out that most trauma victims are resilient, they don’t need therapy and certainly don't need trigger warnings. For the small percentage who suffer from Post-traumatic Stress Disorder, trigger warnings appear to be counter-productive. “Avoidance,” says McNally, “reinforces PTSD. Conversely, systematic exposure to triggers and the memories they provoke is the most effective means of overcoming the disorder.”


So even for legitimate cases of PTSD, trigger warnings are still counterproductive.


Even if it's counterproductive, I still like trigger warnings. I don't like being treated like a victim because it makes coping day to day more difficult, but trigger warnings are awesome for being able to plan your day. As animegirl2222 said, the panic that can happen as a result of a trigger is pretty unpleasant, and I for one would like to be able to have the advance warning so that I will have some idea about whether I'm going to be a useless ball of panic and tears for the next few hours or not. If I'm relaxing and want to turn on an episode of something while I wait for guests to arrive, a trigger warning is very helpful. It's not a guarantee that I'll react badly or anything, but having it sprung upon me before an important party or meeting would be really irritating.
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Jfc~ it's a very long article, but it *triggers* some pretty serious fears in me about the qualifications of students graduating in the future in (one of) the most important countries in the world: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ like jfc read it and think about it and be scared people!

I am so happy none of this shit is going on here at Leiden university in the Netherlands... And it really does not look it will anytime soon. Anyone here would declare you basically crazy if you think these are good developments and should be followed here, and for good reason...

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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

Even if it's counterproductive, I still like trigger warnings. I don't like being treated like a victim because it makes coping day to day more difficult, but trigger warnings are awesome for being able to plan your day. As animegirl2222 said, the panic that can happen as a result of a trigger is pretty unpleasant, and I for one would like to be able to have the advance warning so that I will have some idea about whether I'm going to be a useless ball of panic and tears for the next few hours or not. If I'm relaxing and want to turn on an episode of something while I wait for guests to arrive, a trigger warning is very helpful. It's not a guarantee that I'll react badly or anything, but having it sprung upon me before an important party or meeting would be really irritating.


What trigger warnings are you refering to though? The type given on the net out of courtesy, or the trigger warnings on campus and forced onto news articles? Pretty sure most cable has television content ratings and has for awhile. Those aren't technically trigger warnings.
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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

Even if it's counterproductive, I still like trigger warnings. I don't like being treated like a victim because it makes coping day to day more difficult, but trigger warnings are awesome for being able to plan your day. As animegirl2222 said, the panic that can happen as a result of a trigger is pretty unpleasant, and I for one would like to be able to have the advance warning so that I will have some idea about whether I'm going to be a useless ball of panic and tears for the next few hours or not. If I'm relaxing and want to turn on an episode of something while I wait for guests to arrive, a trigger warning is very helpful. It's not a guarantee that I'll react badly or anything, but having it sprung upon me before an important party or meeting would be really irritating.


What trigger warnings are you refering to though? The type given on the net out of courtesy, or the trigger warnings on campus and forced onto news articles? Pretty sure most cable has television content ratings and has for awhile. Those aren't technically trigger warnings.


I'm referring to newspapers and entertainment (tv shows, movies, which are now viewed on computers as well as tv's). The video refers to some pretty strange practices, which even go to an extreme. But a small line of text at the beginning of a tv show or news article shouldn't be worth warring against. If anything, there was at least one article that I read a few years ago that should have had a warning but didn't. I didn't even realize how I was going to react to it until I did. I was a mess for the entire day. It would have been nice to know that beforehand, considering it dealt with a very awful event.

If I recall correctly, while Law & Order: SVU was airing on television, they would give warnings after commercial breaks in case someone happened to be channel flipping past and didn't realize.
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The problem with the "small line of text" is that you can often accomplish the same thing with the title or the summary on the back cover of a book. People will ignore obvious crap in the titles or summaries, read anyway, and then claim there's no trigger warning. Seriously? This is an article about bombings in the Middle East! What did you expect! I mean....really? It's so silly I can't even get angry at that point. It's an open and obvious risk that they chose to assume. How many warning labels do we need?

How does this make even a smidgen of sense? Do people really expect that these kinds of readers won't go ahead and click the link anyway? How many of them have even seen a corpse or been forced to shoot at someone with a firearm? Is it a real trigger or are people merely upset or disturbed by the writing?

The only time I see trigger warnings as being most consistently useful is when they are used to warn people about images that may cause seizures. IF it isn't mentioned in the title.

The risk of harm from mentions of violence and war is so remote as to not be worth addressing. As I said earlier, if you can't deal with reading a few words, you truly need professional help. That way, you get the assistance you need to directly solve your problem without burdening many people. You have no right to demand that potentially every news source you want to read must post a trigger warning.

"Just in case" isn't enough of a justification. It is WAY, WAY too broad. The likelihood, type, and magnitude of harm must be considered. The burden must also be considered. Sure, the burden in this case is small at first glance, but it applies to potentially everyone who writes, and the lack of clear justification means it applies to potentially every subject, and the lack of specificity means it applies to potentially every kind of writing, so it quickly becomes disproportionately burdensome and unreasonable for this remote risk. If it helped SOLVE the issues, I wouldn't mind as much. But all it does is hide them. Until the day comes when hiding all our problems solves them, I will not endorse most trigger warnings.

This victim-is-always-right mentality isn't good for anyone. There's a tendency to coddle victims nowadays. No wonder people seem to love pretending to have issues now.
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NEWS: When trigger warnings are getting so fucking bad, the president of the United States have to sit people's stupid asses down about it.



http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9326965/obama-political-correctness


Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

I'm referring to newspapers and entertainment (tv shows, movies, which are now viewed on computers as well as tv's). The video refers to some pretty strange practices, which even go to an extreme. But a small line of text at the beginning of a tv show or news article shouldn't be worth warring against. If anything, there was at least one article that I read a few years ago that should have had a warning but didn't. I didn't even realize how I was going to react to it until I did. I was a mess for the entire day. It would have been nice to know that beforehand, considering it dealt with a very awful event.

If I recall correctly, while Law & Order: SVU was airing on television, they would give warnings after commercial breaks in case someone happened to be channel flipping past and didn't realize.


Cable has rating found right in the menu of your remote with appropriate warnings. I wouldn't think it's much different in Canada. News channels shouldn't stop before every new segment to issue potential trigger warnings for upcoming discussion. News articles, if you're afraid of being triggered by something that day, you probably shouldn't be reading them just as you shouldn't put on a news channel. Just as a veteran with PTSD probably shouldn't put on Saving Private Ryan if he doesn't want to get triggered.

Now if someone is worried about graphic or disturbing video content, usually it's a simple 'you may find this footage disturbing'. Whoopie.

The world can't avoid everything for people, lol. The episode is not gonna warn you "oh god mention of rape ahead!!!!".

Just as these students are expecting professors to put fucking trigger warnings on the god damn syllabuses. I think you're more along the lines of graphic and disturbing kind of content warnings and not trigger warnings. People are asking for trigger warnings for even body shaming descriptions. The problem is now that news articles are being forced to have them, people think literature, art and even fucking education need them. It's a problem.

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News articles, if you're afraid of being triggered by something that day, you probably shouldn't be reading them just as you shouldn't put on a news channel. Just as a veteran with PTSD probably shouldn't put on Saving Private Ryan if he doesn't want to get triggered.

Now if someone is worried about graphic or disturbing video content, usually it's a simple 'you may find this footage disturbing'. Whoopie.

The world can't avoid everything for people, lol. The episode is not gonna warn you "oh god mention of rape ahead!!!!".

Just as these students are expecting professors to put fucking trigger warnings on the god damn syllabuses. I think you're more along the lines of graphic and disturbing kind of content warnings and not trigger warnings. People are asking for trigger warnings for even body shaming descriptions. The problem is now that news articles are being forced to have them, people think literature, art and even fucking education need them. It's a problem.



I can neither confirm nor deny your assertions on Canadian cable television, because back when I had cable we didn't have that button. They could now, but I honestly wouldn't know. So we're going to have to put the aspect of modern cable aside.

'you may find this footage disturbing' is a trigger warning. The more I read into your reply, the more I feel like we are talking about different things. Perhaps you take more offence to the choice of wording that your idea of 'trigger warnings' use? When something says that it isn't 'suitable for all viewers', to me, that asserts that they are literally saying that the content will affect some people in negative ways.
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Kitahoshi_Hazel wrote:

I can neither confirm nor deny your assertions on Canadian cable television, because back when I had cable we didn't have that button. They could now, but I honestly wouldn't know. So we're going to have to put the aspect of modern cable aside.

'you may find this footage disturbing' is a trigger warning. The more I read into your reply, the more I feel like we are talking about different things. Perhaps you take more offence to the choice of wording that your idea of 'trigger warnings' use? When something says that it isn't 'suitable for all viewers', to me, that asserts that they are literally saying that the content will affect some people in negative ways.


We are, essentially. I think you're referring more to video content warnings rather than the modern trigger warning term.


The examples of what Obama was talking about are endless: “Trigger warnings” for course readings that could be anguish-inducing, angry demands that conservative speakers not be allowed to give talks on campuses, an attempt at the University of Michigan to ban American Sniper from being shown because it made students feel “unsafe,” a “safe space” with coloring books and videos of puppies at Brown for students unable to handle a debate on sexual assault, and an online forum at Oberlin for students to report “microaggressions,” a term for subtle ways some students may feel marginalized by others.


http://freebeacon.com/culture/obama-slams-liberal-pc-culture-on-college-campuses-students-shouldnt-be-coddled/

Ah here's more examples: https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/12/life-doesn-come-with-trigger-warnings-and-neither-should-college/5yoEMRtkVtjht4O7V2pXQK/story.html

So yeah. I think you're more so referring to the old method of disturbing or graphic video content warning sort of thing and not the new hip and trendy 'trigger warnings'. I think the very essence of the definition and its application significantly changed the last couple of years. Most trigger warnings are...frankly extremely stupid. When people mention trigger warnings today they aren't imagining the screen before a movie starts that warns about upcoming content, they're thinking about idiotic pansy ass students feeling 'triggered' about discussions in the classroom.

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I find it stupid, at least in the way it's used today.
But then what little I feel shouldn't be wasted on worthless crap.
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