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Post Reply Should anime/manga shift more toward being intellectual?
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Posted 9/14/15 , edited 9/14/15
Don't really care, I just watch anime for the entertainment value (which is the purpose of this media).

Plus an Intelligent anime does not equal a Good anime.

Edit: Just realized this is an "Anime should cater to me" thread. Man I dropped the ball today.

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This is sort of an irrelevant question. There are intellectual anime and manga for people that prefer it. There's no shift required. Anime and manga are not a genre, they're mediums. There's just as wide a spectrum in anime and manga as there is in western media. But the most popular things are going to be the things that appeal to the widest audience with the most money. That's just how capitalism works.

Complaining about there being too much sex appeal in anime makes as much sense as complaining about too much violence in western media. Thats what most of the market wants so that's what becomes the mainstream. If you don't like it, don't watch/read it. There are plenty of other alternatives in other genres that would fit whatever your tastes are.

You can't "shift" it because its what people want to watch/read and you give the people what they want. You don't tell them what you think they should want. The market shares between genres reflect how many people like said genres. Supply and demand.

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If it's done right and doesn't remove the fun from the anime then I'm fine with it. I don't want it to be intellectual for the sake of being intellectual. I don't think everything really needs to be deep and thought provoking though. Some things are fine just being goofy and fun.
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I'm well aware that there's multiple genre and I've even stated that I'm not saying to remove non-intellectual anime since it has its place. What I am questioning is the ratio as it stands now and seems to be heading.

Madhouse and Production IG to name 2 particular studios off the top of my current sleep deprived brain.

I don't really keep up with particular studios backstory so no clue on that side of things.

Also shown from an article I saw recently sex distracts from the thing you're trying to sell. And I wasn't saying h-works shouldn't exist, but when it comes to the main anime sphere (I personally separate h-works from standard sphere) it should be a balanced mix of genres including a fair share of intelligent works. The creator of GitS started off that way then he created the basic structure that became GitS franchise that is far away from there, and is more main sphere located (partly I imagine thanks to Production IG). And I think the last I heard he's started shifting back in the h-works territory but I could be wrong since its pure hearsay.

My main thing is just getting a gauge on how people feel when it comes to this, I'm well aware that no anime company gives a care about one thread on one site on one part of the vast internet with a person from a different country.

And whatever that fan service stuff is I personally would be fine with so long as it does eventually lead to something further down the line that tackles more intelligent concepts. If x-ecchi series leads/funds the next Steins;Gate style anime I'd fully get behind it, most that I've seen aren't doing that though instead going for the quick cash grab that is ecchi.

rofl, nothing to forgive an opinion was asked for and one was given simple as that.


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Undoubtedly you haven't seen much anime, because I've seen several that have been plenty intellectual. And you do realize that 'entertainment' is subjective to who you ask, right? What entertains me in this case is intelligent stories thus your first point is moot.

Steins;Gate tackled multi-dimension theory in a very good way, showed the effects of shifting between different dimensions and seeing the various alterations, showed a character being forced to take back all the good he did in order to fix things, and even slipped in loophole abuses. If you want to try to knock it because it has some awkward humor in it then that reflects on you not the anime.

Ghost in the Shell the original movie tackled the idea of what makes people human, if you no longer have bonds to your body or even any proof you were in a body originally should you still be considered human. The SAC series then moved it further into territories of dealing with refugees, whether an AI can be considered a form of life, the atrocities of war, politics, etc. Again the anime isn't the underwhelming one.

Actually I'd turn to Gangsta. since its dealing with it atm. Black Bullet was okay but could've been better and Elfen Lied...nvm. But even counting your pitiful list that's 3, compared to how many shows about how often you can show off a female's chest? Yeah, exactly my point its completely out of balance.

It's on my list of anime to marathon eventually actually, though I would say its a good depiction of both extremes (the 'anti-censorship' extreme and the 'overly censoring' extreme). Did I state somewhere that I can't understand or laugh at sex jokes? Nope.

Seen Hellsing Ultimate and Attack on TItan (and keeping up with the manga), should it stop at just those? No, I'd say that's a territory that could use further exploration especially in the current time.

Did I say they wouldn't be made? Nope, I said that the ratio should be shifted to be more balanced so they aren't some rarity or put behind ecchi series that want to appeal to libidos.

Because it can only show so much T&A before it gets old, because the fanbase is getting older and wanting something more intellectually challenging, and because society is hopefully shifting towards a more intellectual direction. Not even factoring in the reputation and respect they'd earn (and consequently bring to the anime medium).
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It should be whatever the creator of the series wishes.
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*snort*


Stop complaining. Be grateful that there is even anime to watch.
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I favor creative freedom. On one hand, let the writers, artists, and producers decide on what they want. On the other hand, let the fanbase weigh in, and the industry will sort itself out. Money talks. If viewers don't gobble down the "less intellectual stuff," the feedback will encourage more "mature" shows and manga.
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Just want to correct two mis-readings I've seen.

1) This isn't about whether we can shift anime anywhere, its whether people think it should be. In a sense a gauge of sorts.

2) Its not about eliminating anything not intellectual but rather moving the amount to a more balanced amount, instead of having +70% in the non-intellectual things. I enjoy shows that don't pick at my brain but instead are just fun to watch, however I would like to have more balance so that when I do want to pick my brain there's something to turn to.
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Not that I disagree, but there's probably a lot of people who'd argue that shit like this...



Is more intellectual than shit like this...



Sometimes I don't even know if they ever passed grade school and learned about why they call it being intellectual. It requires you to turn your brain on. Not sit back and drink chocolate milk while possibly "too young for you" girls are doing random perverted stuff together or doing stupid random stuff together...





Maybe we should do a Spawn/Yuri Yuri crossover.


Would love to see Spawn wipe the floor with both Kyoko and Chinatsu! XD
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1. It should be whatever the creator of the series wishes.

2. It is balanced based on market demand already. Making more non profitable things would not benefit the investors.
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Put away your elitist cards, those only work on actual newbies. To put it simply: anime is not intellectual. Steins Gate was excellent the Ghost in the Shell films were good however, they were not intellectual, the fact you seen to think otherwise is odd. The shows were not avant-garde in anyway, they simply took ideas and themes that have already been covered or explored and made an entertaining show.


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Everyone's already decided what you said before you said it Crimson, you can't win. They're too busy tilting at the windmills to listen to you explain that they all unloaded those windmills themselves and none of them are even yours.

How dare you expect rational accommodation on the internet you villain.
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Disregarding what the actual present state of the anime industry it, I'd say it would be nice to have more anime that are intellectual. And by that, I mean the kind of anime that make you think, which I think expands what you can call intellectual. Take Rokka no Yuusha, for instance. Sure it's an action-adventure series with scantily clad ladies, but the first arc's central mystery opens up a lot of active discussion as the story unfolds. In encourages viewers to analyze and hypothesize about what's a clue, what's a red herring, etc. Sometimes, watching anime can be an intellectual activity in and of itself.
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There is no such thing as "intellectual anime." The reality is, what makes an anime thought provoking or not will vary for each viewer. The act of categorizing an anime as intellectual implicitly gives the person ascribing the label authority on what makes anime intellectual. I would argue the problem lies not with anime but with how an individual approaches and views an anime.
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You can't even understand anime as it is, Crimson. Please don't make it harder for yourself.
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