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Hmm. I think there are Anime and Manga that are more "Intellectual" with each genre; you just have to find it. Also, there are also Anime and Manga that do both; combining "Intellectual" and "Libido" to tell a good story of how both can be controversial in the fictional world and in our reality as well!


I would point to the issue within this from my perspective of 'having to find it', when I can throw a rock and hit an ecchi series even when stumbling around drunk. I do agree that certain stories can hit both camps, but they're usually pretty rare.


I think the issue dwells deeper. I'll try to explain it. Anime is expensive; you'd be surprised to know how much it all costs. Well, it just so happens that when "Libido" Anime is made, it sells like hotcakes, but when a "Intellectual" Anime is made, it doesn't do as well as an ecchi series would. Now why do you think that is? I believe it's the people, us, you, and everyone else who are at fault. As consumers, we keep buying ecchi, cliche, and all the typical stuff you see in this day and age over good series. I believe this to be the fault of us, the audience. Now, Anime/Manga is a business, so if we respond in a manner that gets those businesses more money, they'll make more of it. In this case, it's moe and ecchi's. At the end of the day, can you blame them for pushing out typical content? I don't. Now, this may per se not be your fault as an individual, but one cannot say the same for other majority of people. I hope this all makes sense. Sorry for the long paragraph, lol.
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Posted 9/19/15 , edited 9/19/15

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Past: the time or a period of time before the moment of speaking or writing.


Late 80's to early 2000's is the "past' especially if factor in seasonal aspect. To put it in perspective FMA probably the newest on the list is 2003, that's 12 years ago.

The ratio of fanservice/ecchi/etc vs intellectual/thought provoking. There's a something called observing/taking note/noticing via just seeing series that come out; I never claimed it to be some legal analysis but put it in the context of being something being noticed. As far as I'm concerned any show that makes someone think can be intellectual, as it pushes for intelligent concepts over other ones. I'll turn to Steins;Gate/Psycho Pass/Ghost in the Shell: SAC for philosophical or intelligent content, while hoping for more down the line.

Where did I ever mention analysis? Nowhere, nor did I state I was working off anything other than observation. Nothing you've said has caused a change nor put you as any more knowledgeable.


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I agree with that the 'blame' falls on the viewers/consumers of it, which is why I asked if people would want more intellectual anime without any intention of changing anything rather just wanting to see if others wanted it too or not. I don't really blame the companies, I just find it disheartening that this may be the norm or the trajectory for the future. The main thing though is that I wasn't trying to cause a change but see if others shared in a similar feeling or if it was just me.

As for the paragraph, that's expected when one is explaining their view/opinion so no worries xD
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Hm, While I wouldn't mind an increase in more intellectual anime, I'd rather it didn't shift more towards being intellectual. Fact is, I like my cheap humor and I like my cheap fanservice. If I want something with lots of depth and intrigue, I'll pick up a book. Basically, while I wouldn't mind the genres balancing out so that anime isn't dominated by any one genre, I wouldn't want a shift because a shift implies that there would have to be a reduction to gain an increase which would mean less cheap humor and over the top fanservice.
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I think if you look a little more closely you'll find quite a few anime and manga that slip more cerebral topics in. For example, My Love Story! on the surface seems like a super adorable romance but time and again the theme of judging a person on their appearance and how wrong that can be comes up. It's just that the writers don't bludgeon us with it. Or one like Humanity Has Declined which seems like a near insane mish-mash hits on topics like the continual drive of technology and where that might be taking us.

It's not necessarily a requirement that a "cerebral" story be weighty to make the viewer think if they pay attention.
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I agree and I'd put those types of anime on the intellectual-neutral side of the spectrum.
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In one word: no

What is the main objective of any television show? Entertainment. If an anime fails to entertain its audience then it has failed at its raison d'etre. I hate to break to some of you but anime is not an intellectual thing, it’s a collection of low brow cartoons coming from Japan that serve as entertainment for the masses and that, is completely fine. If I want something intellectual I'll read an academic book or a journal or find something similar in a library.

What is even more amusing is the examples of anime that you would consider "intellectual ": Steins Gate and Ghost in the Shell (I have not seen Psycho Pass). Steins Gate contained significant amounts of childish behaviour and humour "I am mad scientist so cool son of a bitch" (so deep). The show is not deep or anything close to being intellectual simply because the way it handles time travel All You Need Is Kill aka edge of tomorrow did that in 2004. Ghost in the Shell is not intellectual film because the protagonist wonders whether she is still human due to her entirely synthetic body. Under your own sophomoric logic it can be argued that Oreimo is intellectual due to its exploration of unorthodox relationships.

Want a show that looks at prejudice/discrimination? Go watch Elfen Lied or Black Bullet

What to see what happens when extreme ideologies take over a country? Watch Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn’t Exist. My sincerest apologies that the show may contain sex jokes.

Want an example of war is hell? Go watch Hellsing ultimate, Attack on Titan or Btooom

My point is that these sorts of shows have been made, are made and will continue to be made in the future. Hell I could probably Bullshit about half the shows I watched are intellectual and so deep bro if I had the desire to.

The real question here is: why should anime and manga shift more towards being intellectual? It has a fan base that loves it for what it is.

Or to put it in a more humours way:



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Seriously, i LOVE anime as it is, crazy, cute, sexy, cool fights, beautifull an funny and dont really want it to change! I think that goes for most of the fanbase :3

And sexy anime chicks with skimpy outfits ,big boobies, and lots of (striped! :3) pantsu shots are always a good thing!


Too many people like you are why most anime are terrible.


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Don't really care, I just watch anime for the entertainment value (which is the purpose of this media).

Plus an Intelligent anime does not equal a Good anime.

Edit: Just realized this is an "Anime should cater to me" thread. Man I dropped the ball today.



Not everyone is entertained with just libido stimulants, you know.


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Hm, While I wouldn't mind an increase in more intellectual anime, I'd rather it didn't shift more towards being intellectual. Fact is, I like my cheap humor and I like my cheap fanservice. If I want something with lots of depth and intrigue, I'll pick up a book. Basically, while I wouldn't mind the genres balancing out so that anime isn't dominated by any one genre, I wouldn't want a shift because a shift implies that there would have to be a reduction to gain an increase which would mean less cheap humor and over the top fanservice.


Oh yeah, I'm sure you actually read books instead of just watching your shitty fanservice animu.


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Steins;Gate and GITS are just as "intellectual" as ... Vsauce, ViHart, or Numberphile videos in YouTube. Teenage newbs who are obviously new to anime will see shows like Attack of Titan, Steins;Gate and GITS as "intellectual", when in fact these intellectual topics have been dealt with in fiction many times. These shows did not brought anything new to the table. Might as well call garbage shows like Madoka "intelligent" since the writer just happened to shove the word "entropy" in its viewer's faces, right?

Expecting "intelligence" in children's cartoon is just asking too much. Seriously.


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    There's no reason we can't have a good balance of both in the same series. Take Ghost in the Shell: SAC. There's plenty sexualization of the character Motoko, yet the show remains pretty constant in it's attitude towards ethics, politics, and the nature of people. It also dabbles with the inevitable "love dolls" and showcases some decently revealing outfits on the Major's part. If you're talking about the more obvious and out-of-place fanservice, then it's lost on me. There are a lot of seinen that would probably fit your intellectual criteria (see Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy, Psycho Pass, Mononoke). These dabble more with morality and the overarching question of humanity's place in the world. These stories normally approach sex as a matter-of-fact situation that is normal in adult lives. I suppose this is why there are different genres of anime, no?


Throughout the thread I haven't seen Elfen Lied mentioned even once. It's thought provoking enough that even one of my friends who doesn't normally watch anime recommended it to me. It was probably largely panned for its constant nudity and violence yet it asks some important questions regarding what makes a person who (or what) that person is.

I am still of the opinion that much of these "not intellectual enough" complaints come from a lack of perspective, stemming from simply not being aware of enough titles and not going back far enough to see that the industry in general has actually moved MORE towards thought provocation than away.

Fans mostly aren't old enough to remember exactly how crazily popular all those Tenchi Muyo series were, nor all the Saber Marionette series (...which weren't mentioned either... Hmm........) nor all the Slayers stuff. The real classics, such as Maison Ikkoku, make for great drama but weren't exactly your coffeehouse "intellectual" series (it did start the residence romance genre which inspired many others such as Love Hina)

I can go on... Besides Legend of Galactic Heroes, where exactly is the long list of intellectual titles from that era? I'm still waiting for a real response for that but am not holding my breath!

Again- perspective, or a lack thereof.
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ayaundwolf wrote:


    There's no reason we can't have a good balance of both in the same series. Take Ghost in the Shell: SAC. There's plenty sexualization of the character Motoko, yet the show remains pretty constant in it's attitude towards ethics, politics, and the nature of people. It also dabbles with the inevitable "love dolls" and showcases some decently revealing outfits on the Major's part. If you're talking about the more obvious and out-of-place fanservice, then it's lost on me. There are a lot of seinen that would probably fit your intellectual criteria (see Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy, Psycho Pass, Mononoke). These dabble more with morality and the overarching question of humanity's place in the world. These stories normally approach sex as a matter-of-fact situation that is normal in adult lives. I suppose this is why there are different genres of anime, no?


Throughout the thread I haven't seen Elfen Lied mentioned even once. It's thought provoking enough that even one of my friends who doesn't normally watch anime recommended it to me. It was probably largely panned for its constant nudity and violence yet it asks some important questions regarding what makes a person who (or what) that person is.

I am still of the opinion that much of these "not intellectual enough" complaints come from a lack of perspective, stemming from simply not being aware of enough titles and not going back far enough to see that the industry in general has actually moved MORE towards thought provocation than away.

Fans mostly aren't old enough to remember exactly how crazily popular all those Tenchi Muyo series were, nor all the Saber Marionette series (...which weren't mentioned either... Hmm........) nor all the Slayers stuff. The real classics, such as Madison Ikkoku, make for great drama but weren't exactly your coffeehouse "intellectual" series (it did start the residence romance genre which inspired many others such as Love Hina)

I can go on... Besides Legend of Galactic Heroes, where exactly is the long list of intellectual titles from that era? I'm still waiting for a real response for that but am not holding my breath!

Again- perspective, or a lack thereof.


WMT isn't exactly intellectual but it's the kind of pure anime we rarely see nowadays.
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Posted 9/22/15 , edited 9/22/15

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WMT isn't exactly intellectual but it's the kind of pure anime we rarely see nowadays.

What does WMT stand for? Googling "WMT anime" isn't turning up much for me.

Just curious.

Edit: Unless it's the World Masterpiece Theater and not a specific anime.
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    There's no reason we can't have a good balance of both in the same series. Take Ghost in the Shell: SAC. There's plenty sexualization of the character Motoko, yet the show remains pretty constant in it's attitude towards ethics, politics, and the nature of people. It also dabbles with the inevitable "love dolls" and showcases some decently revealing outfits on the Major's part. If you're talking about the more obvious and out-of-place fanservice, then it's lost on me. There are a lot of seinen that would probably fit your intellectual criteria (see Texhnolyze, Ergo Proxy, Psycho Pass, Mononoke). These dabble more with morality and the overarching question of humanity's place in the world. These stories normally approach sex as a matter-of-fact situation that is normal in adult lives. I suppose this is why there are different genres of anime, no?
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Anime is not a genre, it's a style, like live action or stop-motion. There are plenty of brainy anime shows out there, sometimes they are hidden by the silliness of the artstyle or the story but they are quite intelligent. Kill la Kill and Kyousogiga both had either Buddhist lore or history in them.

There's something for everyone in anime.
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Posted 9/22/15 , edited 9/22/15

ayaundwolf wrote:


The thing with GitS: SAC is that it always put emphasis on the intelligent concepts that were being dealt with in any particular episode, kinda like having a particular brand of soda on a bookshelf in the background where it doesn't affect anything. Its core idea is still rooted in intelligent ideas. I've heard about Texhnolyze but haven't seen it, seen EP and PP though and might've heard about Mononoke).

Different genres yes each with an intelligent style and a non-intelligent style. Zetsuen no Tempest for instance is a shounen done intelligently.


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I really like both KlK and Kyousougiga and would even toss in FLCL to that category. Kill la Kill at its core had an intelligent concept/conflict in 'absolute control vs. absolute freedom' and its service aspects imo were so abundant it should count as satire.
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