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Posted 9/14/15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkEzLuzmZ4

I watched that and it made me realize how screwed you are if you ever get arrested for a crime you didn't commit without the money for your own lawyer.

What do you guys think?

Personally, I think this is a MUCH bigger issue than supposedly racist cops killing "innocent" people. This actually needs a looking at.
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Wow, just wow. America's laws are known to be corrupted by people and fucked up. I knew about Fl, its the state right below me. I knew I never liked Florida for some reason, now I have another reason. lol I'm rusty when it comes to the court, its been awhile learning about it, but I know the jury decides guilty and innocent and the judge mainly decides what's going to happen to you after your supposedly found guilty. A lot of cases there's no jury, just the judge. One judge, years back, in the town I lived send his son to prison for 3 years for getting caught having a "roach" joint in his ashtray in his car when he was pulled over. All the judge said to him is, "I'm going to show you an example". The guy was the judge's son and he was sent 3 years. No one can't do anything about it. Some judges have too much power. The people that are jury are that just people. They're not experts. I know my aunt was called on jury judy and she was pissed. She keep saying she didn't knew anything law or whatever and was going to agree to everyone. I told her that it was up to every individual to reach an agreement, not okay now I want out of here. :/
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Wow, just wow. America's laws are known to be corrupted by people and fucked up. I knew about Fl, its the state right below me. I knew I never liked Florida for some reason, now I have another reason. lol I'm rusty when it comes to the court, its been awhile learning about it, but I know the jury decides guilty and innocent and the judge mainly decides what's going to happen to you after your supposedly found guilty. A lot of cases there's no jury, just the judge. One judge, years back, in the town I lived send his son to prison for 3 years for getting caught having a "roach" joint in his ashtray in his car when he was pulled over. All the judge said to him is, "I'm going to show you an example". The guy was the judge's son and he was sent 3 years. No one can't do anything about it. Some judges have too much power. The people that are jury are that just people. They're not experts. I know my aunt was called on jury judy and she was pissed. She keep saying she didn't knew anything law or whatever and was going to agree to everyone. I told her that it was up to every individual to reach an agreement, not okay now I want out of here. :/


Yeah... I definitely think that it is something that needs some reworking. Back in the day, when things were simple, only like 10 laws in existence, I can almost understand how the current system might seem to work...

..these days, life is just a little more complicated, with tons more people, and all the laws are confusing as hell.

Just saying, this needs revision.
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jackrabbit92 wrote:

Wow, just wow. America's laws are known to be corrupted by people and fucked up. I knew about Fl, its the state right below me. I knew I never liked Florida for some reason, now I have another reason. lol I'm rusty when it comes to the court, its been awhile learning about it, but I know the jury decides guilty and innocent and the judge mainly decides what's going to happen to you after your supposedly found guilty. A lot of cases there's no jury, just the judge. One judge, years back, in the town I lived send his son to prison for 3 years for getting caught having a "roach" joint in his ashtray in his car when he was pulled over. All the judge said to him is, "I'm going to show you an example". The guy was the judge's son and he was sent 3 years. No one can't do anything about it. Some judges have too much power. The people that are jury are that just people. They're not experts. I know my aunt was called on jury judy and she was pissed. She keep saying she didn't knew anything law or whatever and was going to agree to everyone. I told her that it was up to every individual to reach an agreement, not okay now I want out of here. :/


Yeah... I definitely think that it is something that needs some reworking. Back in the day, when things were simple, only like 10 laws in existence, I can almost understand how the current system might seem to work...

..these days, life is just a little more complicated, with tons more people, and all the laws are confusing as hell.

Just saying, this needs revision.


Every law system including the Constitution is contradicting to me, imo. I'll revise later.
Posted 9/15/15 , edited 10/6/15
He's clearly British... am i missing something? Anyway, it does not matter :). i can't watch the video to the end but heres my two cents
The lack of lawyers probably only means that private lawyers cannot be contracted or are hard to contract in numbers sufficient enough to represent people and lower the case load of those with too many. Judging from how much the public defence lawyers have to juggle, it would be suicidal to make yourself available for contracting as you're looking to pretty much lose many cases.This could also mean that the gap between the rich and poor is pretty much too wide. Whilst a lot can afford a private lawyers, there's a lot that can't. It would be kind of hard to fix. Either way, there is probably too a huge demand for lawyers and that's because there's too many arrests and the more experiences could pick and choose [possibly] to further their ambitions. Perhaps less people taken in for petty crimes could lower the number of cases but then, seeing that there's less quality in the representation can increase police misbehaviour.
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Posted 9/15/15
Court appointed lawyers aren't all that bad, depending on their experience I suppose.


The U.S government is one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet, they do all sorts of crap that are borderline illegal or straight out illegal.
I have little trust in our government when it comes to anything just about these days.

I saw a video on how the secret service let in a couple to a white house party with the president but they weren't invited and passed all the security check points even had a couple photos with him. Reason is they thought they looked the part, which is just sad.
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In this case, I don't necessarily think people should always chalk it up to corruption.

Public defenders are often not as well paid as the known and experienced lawyers for hire. Nobody seems to like them for some reason, either. It's easy for some of them to just see representing the alleged criminal as a chore and they will do the minimum required to scrape by. This is not necessarily hard to understand since they work more for less money, but they are as knowledgeable as any other lawyer. While their jobs lack "high roller" cases, they are stable and suffer no shortage of work.

There are good public defenders who are driven by the desire to fairly represent the poor and to bring justice, but I don't think this is going to be every public defender. Then, again, there are screwy lawyers for hire who cause a lot of problems for their clients, but that's not every lawyer. In this business, though, if you have a bad reputation, you're not going to last long.

Anyway, I'd rather have a public defender than no lawyer at all. It's pretty well-known that trial court judges have a lot of power so it's not good to piss them off. This is mainly due to how difficult it is to get a decision appealed. Notably, less than 5% of the certiorari and appeals are granted. As long as the trial court judge's opinion does not seem to be based on a misinterpretation of law and seems to make some sense, it's usually up to the trial court judge's discretion. People need to realize that before being rude and difficult in the courtroom, especially if they are defendants in a criminal case. How you conduct yourself absolutely can affect how harshly the judge sentences you or even if you are found guilty in the first place.
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Posted 9/15/15 , edited 9/15/15
Black man arrested by being checked from the bus and had ticket and ID still got arrested while the cops did not say anything.
(under arrest, reason, rights and so on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3x2YCC6sB8

two females strip another female while 2 guys supporting them and sprayed her with pepper spray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atcjNkudzF4

Like all I can say the police force around in american sure likes to use unnecessary violence time and time agian.
another time was agianst a man that needed some meds from hostial stayed at the police station but insted got tortured and killed by the cops!

Father Gets Arrested For Trying To Pick Up His Own Child At School
(cop thinks he is the law like many cops)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuZM056rusk

So its about how much the law is on the cops side, or how easy its for them to hide things.
like hitting them for hitting you = you end up in jail....
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Yes, bring up one issue to discredit another.
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Posted 9/15/15 , edited 9/15/15

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Black man arrested by being checked from the bus and had ticket and ID still got arrested while the cops did not say anything.
(under arrest, reason, rights and so on)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3x2YCC6sB8

two females strip another female while 2 guys supporting them and sprayed her with pepper spray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atcjNkudzF4

Like all I can say the police force around in american sure likes to use unnecessary violence time and time agian.
another time was agianst a man that needed some meds from hostial stayed at the police station but insted got tortured and killed by the cops!

Father Gets Arrested For Trying To Pick Up His Own Child At School
(cop thinks he is the law like many cops)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuZM056rusk

So its about how much the law is on the cops side, or how easy its for them to hide things.
like hitting them for hitting you = you end up in jail....


First.... I think you drank the koolaid.

You realize that police officer positions are filled with people. You realize that people often time suck at their job? That doesn't make them all racists or even incompetent. HELL, if you put the number of incidents VS the number of encounters with police in the US, daily, you'll quickly realize that the incidents are rare, in reality.

That's the thing people fail to realize. They think that out the thousands of interactions between cops and criminals PER DAY... none are allowed to EVER go wrong without blaming the police force as a whole.

We don't even do that with McDonald's. If we go to Mickey D's and the fries suck, we assume someone at THAT McDonald's sucks at their job. We don't immediately come to the conclusion that McDonald's fires have begun to suck.

My point is... this shit is ALWAYS going to happen. BUT 1.) not all cases people bitch about has something been done incorrectly by the police. 2.) They are still rare, and should in no way affect the image of police as a whole. 3.) People DO make mistakes.

Oh, and before you argue about how rare they are or are not. YES, they are rare. The only reason you hear about it so much is because the US is F-ing huge, everyone now has a video camera in their pocket with smartphones, and the media blasts that shit like it is the only thing that is important.

BUT, keep drinking that koolaid, Freddy.
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Posted 9/15/15
If you are being questioned by the police you should have a lawyer with you. I would never say a word to the police without a lawyer, even if I was innocent and not a suspect. You wouldn't try to do your own dental work, and odds are you know as much about law as you do about dentistry.

If you are actually arrested or accused of a crime, absolutely hire a lawyer. Empty your savings, take out a loan or borrow from family. Whatever it takes. If you are looking at jail time whatever money you spend can be made up in the years you save by not being in prison.

Public defenders can help you navigate the basics, and are probably fine for minor offenses that don't require much work. Some of them are very good but I wouldn't trust them with my freedom.
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Freddy96NO wrote:]Still the cops over there does things worse then the encounters here in europe, either it be bad mouthing or pull overs, take downs, and all in general how these cops vs those cops and the basic training and fitness..

Where I see many american cops faster on the trigger then doing anything else... because you know either know how to defend themselfs or other things.
and yes there is normal people in the police and sometimes that can be a bad thing (some that can't handle things and get scared way too easly makes them maybe pull the trigger)
No they are not that rare just to point that up and most of them should maybe have 3 times less per -time period- and so on.
Still too many cops seen as I know the law! (many times been questioned and been shown how they thought they knew the law and acted by their own setting unvalied accusations on people)

Agian the police does this 4 guys on 1 civilian and that is sure stupied of how dangerous it can be too.

I did not ever mean the whole police force but I do have a negative on most American cops doing nothing but hurting others and are bullies that sometimes you have to be protected by and not from criminals.



Dude... you really don't understand the vast amounts of encounters with police that go RIGHT, daily, do you?

Also, American cops are actually quite nice to deal with. In MANY other countries, they do what they want, which many times includes arresting you or detaining you until you pay a bribe. Or telling you to get lost when you report your shit stolen.

As someone who has spent time in 5 different European countries, I can promise you, the American police force is MUCH less corrupt.

The difference is that Americans see a flea in a snowstorm and assume the snow is a bunch of white fleas.

Sorry, best analogy I could come up with.
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Watch the video and just got to say wow. To be given a defender that only spent 7 minutes on your case. I won't even pretend to have a solution since public defenders are usually underpaid and the people they represent usually make bare bones minimum. Maybe make more of the minor stuff like traffic tickets a civil case instead of possible jail time if you don't pay them. Not to sure how feasible that is since I always been careful and if I did get a ticket then I paid it off in one payment.
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Watch the video and just got to say wow. To be given a defender that only spent 7 minutes on your case. I won't even pretend to have a solution since public defenders are usually underpaid and the people they represent usually make bare bones minimum. Maybe make more of the minor stuff like traffic tickets a civil case instead of possible jail time if you don't pay them. Not to sure how feasible that is since I always been careful and if I did get a ticket then I paid it off in one payment.


Yeah, it is definitely something that wouldn't be easy to fix.
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That's what happens in the US... they throw the book at you. If you are involved in a self-defense situation, even if you apprehend the person attacking you, or breaking into your house, and they live, they will bring your butt to civil court and bleed you dry. That's why (I know this is really morbid) but if you are involved in a self-defense situation and you are using a lethal weapon, don't try to injure the assailant, you know what you have to do...
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