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netdisorder wrote:
And it's true. Your stomach adapts to your diet. If you eat BIG, your stomach permanently expands after remembering the what kind of portions you consume, and conversely, it shrinks if you eat smaller meals. Your heart is the opposite though, the more athletic and extreme training you do, the larger your heart becomes to compensate for the need to maintain adequate circulation through slower beating but more blood volume being pumped per beat. This is why some high-end athletes have heart rates as low as 30-40 beats per minute, when the average heart rate is around 60 beats per minute.


Hunger is more hormone driven, but you're definitely on the right track.
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If we were to all realize this, imagine all the Quit McLovin'it commercials that would air in place of some of the Smoking kills commercials. But that will never happen, the modern food industry is too dependent on their ability to poison the well.


You're pretty much right, but fast food competes with other fast food companies in their business.
If the market changed from $1 greasy as fuck burgers to $5 salads, salad franchises would take off.
It all relates to the demand end of the market. We can change that with information.
Information can make people pick something else.
Fighting the food industry would simply be telling these people they're not allowed to buy that anymore.

Fast food isnt the only cause of obesity either, France is McDonalds biggest European market, and the French have one of the lowest obesity rates in western Europe.

But yeah, a quit mclovin it ad would be great for public health.


It would, except I'm a total hypocrite. I can't go without the occasional Crispy chicken sandwich, or Home-style ranch chicken club. Gawd they're delicious.

I'm pretty happy with knowing that all food business in the U.S. will be required to list calorie amounts. I get it that a lot of people hate it because "muh freedoms", but since I really practiced counting calories for a while, it feels at home to me. And as usual plenty of people will never even check the calories, but that's their decision, and it's my decision to look if I have that option available. It actually adds more choice imo, and who knows maybe it'll effect a few people's lives for the better. A success if even one person benefits from it, I'd say.



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netdisorder wrote:
And it's true. Your stomach adapts to your diet. If you eat BIG, your stomach permanently expands after remembering the what kind of portions you consume, and conversely, it shrinks if you eat smaller meals. Your heart is the opposite though, the more athletic and extreme training you do, the larger your heart becomes to compensate for the need to maintain adequate circulation through slower beating but more blood volume being pumped per beat. This is why some high-end athletes have heart rates as low as 30-40 beats per minute, when the average heart rate is around 60 beats per minute.


Hunger is more hormone driven, but you're definitely on the right track.


Like that whole thing about how the color red makes people more interested in food? Or would that be more of a sensory-driven response?


Simon_Keyes wrote:

Speaking as a guy who weighed 300 pounds in his formative years and has since worked his way down to around 180 at the time of writing, I don't think "opressed" is the right word. They're made fun of and treated poorly in many a social circle, to be sure; but it's not like the police is more prejudiced against them or something.


Congrats on losing all that weight dude! That's a hellofa achievement
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This topic reminds me of the bulimia charity that photoshopped athletic game characters to give them a more "realistic" appearance as "real women".



I don't care if people choose a lifestyle of being overweight or underweight. That's their business, their health risk and not my concern. I have never bullied someone for it and I'll never shame them for it either. But if you try to push an agenda to incriminate genuinely healthy bodies and fashion the excessive weight, especially considering the US has a record 2/3 of it's population overweight and the UK has the heaviest women in Europe, I'm very much inclined to become somewhat outspoken.
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So...
Animegirl2222 is saying the sight of overweight people gives her #triggered! moments?

If you think about it, some "Fat Pride" rhetoric is a backlash against:
1) Fat Shaming, the age old passtime of douchebags.
and
2) Anorexia where women built like toothpicks would compulsively engage in unhalthy behavior because they viewed themselves as "too fat" all the time.



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I think a "real" Lara Croft should not add just more adiphose. Why can't the artist add muscle?
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Being obese puts strain on the heart and the build up fat around the muscles (including the heart) can lead to some serious health problems and end in a premature death.

Now onto 'oppressed' are you saying that obeses are subject to harsh and authoritarian treatment? Oppressed is past tense, it is supposed to be 'oppress' as we are talking about the present.

Most obese women tend to go online and 'troll' or 'catfish' people. The only people who oppress are skinny, rich, daddy's girls they blame you for breaking their nails which cost their dads a fortune.

HOWEVER, technically it is societies fault because bullies make people 'comfort eat' and get obese and it's the food industry's fault for making food high in sugar, fat and calories.
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DarthPieStalker wrote:

I think a "real" Lara Croft should not add just more adiphose. Why can't the artist add muscle?


Look at Sonya Blade. Even toned women are unrealistic, evidently. Even if they are soldiers they must look like soccer mums.

I'd also like to point out that this little project didn't include a single male character. We're missing out on the realistic portrayals of the martial arts Street Fighter characters with their beer bellies and balding patterns.
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CyanSwan wrote:

This topic reminds me of the bulimia charity that photoshopped athletic game characters to give them a more "realistic" appearance as "real women".



I don't care if people choose a lifestyle of being overweight or underweight. That's their business, their health risk and not my concern. I have never bullied someone for it and I'll never shame them for it either. But if you try to push an agenda to incriminate genuinely healthy bodies and fashion the excessive weight, especially considering the US has a record 2/3 of it's population overweight and the UK has the heaviest women in Europe, I'm very much inclined to become somewhat outspoken.


I don't think Laura Croft would be chubby... She works out like crazy and runs through caves while being shot at all the time. She'd probably look more like this when taking her lifestyle into account. Since our realities are all determined through our lifestyles. But if the point is to turn athletic women into women who never exercise and have a little extra, thereby making reality into fiction, then it works.
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Hey folks,

I know this topic can invoke some pretty salty and even spiteful responses, which I have removed for as far as I've spotted them.
The overall discussion is going fine, so please keep that up and please help keep it that way.

Thank you.
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I understand that it is hard to lose weight. I have seen some pretty fat people naked and I can say that an out of shape person is no fun to look at. That being said, there are lots of people out there, making a lot of noise about a lot of things. If you want to be fat (yes it is a choice, choosing NOT to do something is a choice) then be fat.

It is not unfair or mean of me if I do not find you sexy or physically appealing. Let us all be friends.

I draw the line when people who are not in shape feel entitled to chase after people who are in shape and call them shallow for not being interested. Like attracts like. I get up at 4am in the morning to start my day, prepare healthy food for it and get to the gym. I am presently a size 8 going back to a size 6. This is a choice I am making. This is a sacrifice that I invest into. I want people who are like me in my life. If you can't take care of yourself then how can you take care of anyone else or anything else? What is actually important to you then, as a person and a human being? Binge eating stems from escapism. You can't escape. You either face it in your life or look at it on your thighs. Ultimately we all pay the piper. So why not own it instead of being owned?
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Typically, if doctors see a problem and they see an obvious potential cause of the problem, they aren't going to order tons of expensive tests to try to see if there is some obscure 1 in a million problem that could be causing it instead. That isn't in any way limited to obesity and it isn't really a problem. If you went into the doctors office for a cold and they tested you for every disease under the sun that exhibits cold like symptoms at some point, either you would be paying out your ass or taxes would skyrocket to pay for heaps of unnecessary junk.

Literally they could've just listened to her heart and done an x-ray to know there was a bigger issue..
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animegirl2222 wrote:

Yay, another SJ or SJW related thread, depending on how you view things.

So, the last few years have given a rise to a new breed of slackivism, also called "Fat activism". This "movement", which doesn't require a lot of movement at all, is mainly performed by young women from behind a keyboard who weigh upward of 200 pounds, and are often qualified as highly overweight, if not mildly, moderately, or morbidly obese.

They however, do not think their extra weight to be a concern, but glorify it, while simultaneously putting down thinner people and society as a whole in the process, claiming that fat people are "oppressed" and thinner folks, average size folks, or even mildly overweight folks are "privileged", while they are a "marginalized" group according to some of them, who face "oppression".

The only problem is this: They're not a minority. Obese adults account for a whopping THIRD of the United States population and other western nations such as Canada are trailing behind, with a quarter of their pop being obese. Not only are they not a minority, but they are becoming a majority, though some of them also try and justify their reasoning with statistics that "the average US woman is 5'4" and 166 lbs" blah blah blah.

I will not deny that fatter people, especially obese people, are often denied positions and even occasionally teased, ridiculed for their weight, however, for MOST of them, this misery is self imposed. The majority of the obese western population are not fat naturally, but have made themselves as such through constant binge eating and refusing to control portions, as well as obviously getting no exercise, or else we'd have less of this problem.

Oppression is defined as being discriminated against for a trait you were born with more or less. The color of your skin. Your sexuality. Your gender identity. Etcetera. Being fat IS a choice. It's not "oppression" for people to find you unattractive as an overweight person, let alone an obese person. Most of the proponents of the "fat acceptance" or "health at every size" movement are the latter, often morbidly obese, and their morbid obesity is self imposed. In addition to promoting unhealthy lifestyles, they also put up bullshit claims that BMI is a "myth" and that weight loss can never result in success, claiming that those who lose weight will undeniably put it back on, which is also a lie. They also constantly put down those with restrictive eating disorders in order to project focus back unto themselves.

Do you think it's possible that these people could actually being oppressed, or do you find them to be annoyances?

I think the latter. Maybe it's just standing on the sidelines as the person they abhor, the 110 lbs girl who can scarf fast food, but I find them to be whiny little brats. Weight loss is possible. My dad did it, he was slightly obese and now maintains a healthy weight, and I was high "healthy" BMI before I lost weight as well, albeit not through the healthiest methods. These people and their brainwashing make me sick.


Honestly, I don't know where exactly to begin here. Growing up I was on a medication that destroyed my metabolism. I went to a nutritionist 3 times a week, worked out daily and could never lose an ounce. As a matter of fact I actually ended up gaining more weight. So, from experience, your words "occasionally teased" should be read "daily tortured" when it comes to Jr High and High School asshats looking for targets or later life "fat-haters" who either target you, turn you into their joke of the day or teach their kids to ridicule when they don't have the kahones to do it themselves. Luckily, I discovered a doctor into alternative medicine who got me off the medicines I was slave to. With that, and some major changes to my diet due to food allergies I've lost A LOT of weight over the last 15 years and it stayed off. Am I still overweight? Yes, but not as grossly overweight as I was back then.

People are quick to point the finger at overweight people as responsible for their own weight problems but honestly I've learned it's far farrrr from the case. If you want to find the real culprit look no further than the FDA. In the U.S.A., where you speak of, we use hundreds of food additives and preservatives banned in most countries. Most of these are corn-based additives that are hidden by other names to make them seem less like corn (Citric Acid, Carageenan, Lactic Acid, even Vitamin C in foods are most often sourced from corn). How do farmers fatten their chicken, turkey, pigs, cows? Yup, stuff them with corn and soy. In Florida, a milk producer has been taken to court by the government for NOT adding artificial vitamins to their NATURAL skim milk. The government agency involved refuses to allow them to call the milk NATURAL until they add the vitamins. The judge in the case had the perfect question to ask to get the ball rolling..."does it come straight out of the cow? How much more natural can you get?". Isn't it interesting that the countries that ban medicines and food additives that are considered unhealthy have much lower obesity rates than us?

http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/2013/02/11/food-companies-exploit-americans-with-ingredients-banned-in-other-countries/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/02/27/us-food-products.aspx#!
http://www.shape.com/blogs/shape-your-life/13-banned-foods-still-allowed-us
http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/Food/11-foods-banned-us/story?id=19457237
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It depends. If someone is fat/obese because of a disease/malfunction, then it would be wrong to make fun of them. If someone is fat/obese out of pure laziness, then he/she should be ashamed of him-/herself and do something to change that condition. Change your diet and do some exercise. Not only are fat people unpleasant to smell and look at, they dramatically endanger their own health, too.

I can't see any reason to take pride in being fat/obese. It's not an achievement.
Posted 9/18/15
Oppression isn't the correct term to use, in any case. No one is being relieved of their civil or human rights. Fat camps aren't gas chambers.

Nobody is being treated badly when told to pay for the seats their body occupies, or for being told to switch seats in case they die because their very large and unmovable body will block and kill everyone else during an emergency.

If a person didn't get the job because they're fat, it's because the owner is scum. The thin person with the weird looking face probably didn't get the job either.

Sexual attraction does not boil down to what is physically/genetically healthy. We aren't attracted to what is healthy, in that sense. We're attracted to that which remind us of those who were emotionally available to us when we grew up, which is why some people are actually attracted to fat people, because they view fat people as being emotionally healthy to them.

That said, pointing out flaws about people's bodies is not helpful to them. There are much better ways to encourage people, without referring to their weight, eating habits, or pointing in the direction of the gym.

Well, this was my two cents.
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I don't have an issue with big women. If they are happy being big... then so be it. I do have an issue with anyone who wants to try and shove it in my face and say society is driving them down and that they are forced to eating more Ho Hos because they are depressed by it.

Sure the "mass media", fashion magazines etc. promote an unhealthy view of how the human body is depicted. Almost anorexic models being the norm. There has been a slight shift to start promoting a more realistic view of the 'average' body type... whatever that is.

So.. no they aren't "oppressed" per se. But obese people aren't looked upon as being attractive. They will usually be the target of either being ignored or made fun of. But anyone can feel that way.

If they should do anything though - they should put down the Doritos, step away from the keyboard and go for a walk. Instead of "activism" they should just get "active"

What sucks here in the U.S. though? It's cheaper and faster to eat processed/frozen foods than it is to take the time to eat healthier. Food costs for those on a fixed income make it near impossible to include fresh fruits/vegetables in the daily diet. Compound that with now GENERATIONS of people who were never taught how to cook properly or have both parents forced to work. It just keeps piling on the "fat generations". I'm fighting it personally here at my house daily. I have to work. My wife cooks shit like fish sticks or chicken nuggets. I cook the other couple days during the week. I cook at least vegetables and grill chicken or pork.
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