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Fyi under the federal hippa laws a theropist or psychiritrist cannot disclose information on a patient unless that patient has expressed a clear intent to kill or admits to killing someone. This is the same law that protects someone with aids who confesses to thei physician that they are having unprotected sex
Posted 9/20/15
I'm all for gun rights. Especially since I have so many guns myself.
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I know I'm going to come across as incredibly intolerant, so I apologize in advance, and hope you'll see my perspective on firearms. I think firearms should be incredibly limited if not completely banned altogether. Firearms are designed to kill; guns are tools of death. Guns can be used for sport, such as target and skeet shooting, and even for hunting. None of the aforementioned activities harms human beings, but that does not lessen a firearm's lethality. People often stand by the statement: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" as if completely dismissing the gun's lethality and ease of use in the act of killing. I would point to America's nearly 12,000 gun deaths per year as evidence that guns do in fact account for a staggering amount of deaths. This far outnumbers deaths by any other homicidal means by other weapons. Guns are human inventions, so they are ergonomically designed and simple in operation. A child could easily fire a gun and constitute a mass killing single handedly; a mass killing is 4 or more deaths. By comparison, other weapons, such as clubs or even swords, are incredibly difficult to use to perpetrate killings. It would take a master swords man to successfully perpetrate a mass killing with a sword, and I propose it would have to be in an enclosed space where victims cannot run away. Additionally, bombings are not more easily executed; while a bomb could easily kill 4 or more people, the skill and materials needed to construct a properly functioning bomb capable of a mass killing are not easy to come by. In contrast, a gun and ammo could easily be purchased online or in a physical shop in minutes, and our hypothetical homicidal individual could easily gun down any number of people in the street as long as they could point the gun in the proper direction. Inherent lethality aside, I would say that the average citizen has no use for a gun, and that they are better off using other means to protect themselves instead. To me the equation is simple; when someone has a gun in a combat situation, somebody ends up dead; when both people have guns in a combat situation, somebody ends up dead; when neither person has a gun in a combat situation, then one of those people can run away, or perhaps be hurt severely, but most likely nobody will end up dead. Some will poset that homicidal maniacs will do anything to kill people no matter what, so we should have guns to protect ourselves; but I poset by the same token, if a homicidal maniac has a gun, I propose he will be a far more effective deadly killer. This is coming from a man that loved guns, among my favorites to shoot and own were the M16 chambered in .223, and suppressed USP .45. I remember seeing the H&K 416 when it was brand new, seeing it put in mud, sand, and water, and still fire with great precision and thinking it was the coolest thing ever to have a gas chambered rather than air cooled AR15 platform. I used to love watching gun shows and seeing all the intriguing and new high tech gun designs. However, after reading the statistics and hearing the news about all of these mass killings, especially those involving children, I've come to realize that I feel that guns should rest in the hands of police officers, and the military. I challenged my own beliefs, and I would ask the question, why not just give everybody nuclear weapons? We could stop at guns, and just tell ourselves that at most a guy kills 30 or so people, or we could draw the line and say he gets no gun, so he is limited to 1 or 2. If we don't draw the line, then why stop at guns, let's just give every person a nuclear missile, and just deal with the consequences if he wants to kill a few hundred thousand people or so. That's the way I see it, any deaths is too many deaths, and without guns, there would be far less of them.
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 6/18/16
People are afraid of what they don't understand.

Most people - especially those from urban areas - don't understand firearms. Even many trained firearm owners fail to understand them fully in some cases (especially the tacti-cool idiots). This lack of understanding leads to fear.

Guns are TOOLS, and nothing else. Just as all knives cut, all guns shoot. But you wouldn't try to fillet a fish with a cleaver or chop through chicken bones with a bread knife. Each specific knife type has a task at which it excels and each specific firearm type has a task at which it excels. It is not unreasonable for an individual to own half-a-dozen or more firearms for varying specific tasks.

Furthermore, the need for such tools varies by environment: Someone strolling the street in a peaceful city will have much less use for a firearm than a rancher in Montana. Attempting to make sweeping bans on firearms is outright stupid and any such ban would be largely ignored in more rural areas since some such tools are a practical NECESSITY for survival (even countries like Japan which "ban" firearms have licensing provisions for such situations). Even such demonized accessories as "high capacity magazines" have their practical place.

Firearms are just tools, and nothing more. Would you fear a hammer? or a bearing-puller? How about an awl? A wood chipper? Maybe you should fear more common tools -- there have been several people critically injured by "misusing" vacuum cleaners. Car accidents kill many more people. Medical malpractice kills many, many times more people. Sure firearms can be deadly, but so can most tools when improperly or complacently used. Treating the tool with respect and a level head removes almost all danger (except from defective equipment).

Do not fear or demonize firearms. Fear the intentions of the wielder if you must, but without a hand to pull the trigger a firearm is just a lump of metal and is no reason for panic.
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As for the philosophy of firearm use, yes, some are designed to kill humans - and that sticks in the craws of those unrealistic idealists who wrongly believe that all life is sacred or that violence is never the answer. The unfortunate truth of the real world is that nasty things happen. All life is NOT sacred except to itself.

ALL living things will attempt to preserve themselves. Some even view the urge for self-preservation as a defining characteristic of what "life" actually is. Even plants will grow towards the sun. A rat cornered by a snake will bite and claw if running is ineffective. A frog will wiggle and kick all the way down a bird's throat. Deer and Elk will gore eachother to death over a mate. No one claims that the frog or the mouse or the elk is in the wrong for doing so.

But humans are different. Humans are a tool using species. We do not have claws, fangs, or fur. We cannot fly away from danger. We do not have armored scales or bone plates. We are soft, pink sacks of meat and our biggest advantages are our hands and our minds. When we were cold, we sharpened sticks and stones and killed furry creatures to take their skins for ourselves. When we were hungry, we sharpened bigger sticks and killed whales, or smaller sticks and made bows and fishing poles. It is the nature of all life to preserve itself and humans do so by using tools. Firearms are merely the most effective tool for doing so that we currently have. To deny a human being the RIGHT to use survival tools is to enslave him and remove personal control over his very own life.

There are members of PETA who would scold you for declawing a cat but have no problems crippling people by removing their tools. That is wrong.

The key to having a peaceful life is NOT to take away everything that is dangerous. That is impossible because the world is full of danger. Instead, it is best to learn about how to deal with others, about how to look after one's own self and how to appropriately use the tools our people spent millennia developing. Education of individuals - NOT the control of masses - is the key to a peaceful world.
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Posted 9/20/15
there should be laws to make sure guns don't get in the hands of people who can't handle them.

Guns are not good in some countries but in some like America there a neccesity.

There needs to be better laws in America surrounding guns though.
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 6/18/16

Insanerino wrote:




You are horrifically misinformed about firearms. Just about everything you wrote is wrong. Your fear of firearms comes from numerous misconceptions.


Penn and Teller did a very good show on the topic of firearms. I recommend checking it out. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec7_1251312990
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 7/29/16
Yeah great idea, make all manor of weapons in the US legal, no skin off my ass. I'll be sitting comfy in Australia while you're all shooting and nuking the shit out of each other. We need a population cull anyway. Hell why not make "the purge" a thing? might do some good.....
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Posted 9/20/15
Well my gun rights are full of holes...
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 6/18/16

Insanerino wrote:. This is coming from a man that loved guns, among my favorites to shoot and own were the M16 chambered in .223, and suppressed USP .45. I remember seeing the H&K 416 when it was brand new, seeing it put in mud, sand, and water, and still fire with great precision and thinking it was the coolest thing ever to have a gas chambered rather than air cooled AR15 platform.


Calling bullshit you had an M16 and a suppressed USP .45.
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 6/18/16
1.Love em like my family
2.Don't like those wanting to get rid of em
3.Should be mandatory for every house hold to own one unless financial issues are preventing that from happening

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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 6/18/16

VZ68 wrote:


K3n21 wrote:

There needs to be restrictions. Not everyone should be able to buy and own guns.

I can understand wanting to own handguns, shotguns, and hunting rifles...But why do you need assault rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles etc?

ill never understand why some Americans are so passionate about surrounding themselves with tools for killing...





What's a sniper rifle, assault rifle and machine gun and how are they different that hunting rifles?



And where does this fit?


Its too early for this bullshit... -_-

We get it. You see them as toys.
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Posted 9/20/15
Im not really for or against,

1. I have a simple handgun for personal home protection. I think it's important to have one in your home. Where I come from, we had hurricane Katrina blow through when I was like 9. I've seen what happens to you when you can't protect yourself. So there is a value in having a gun, even if you never intend to use it.

2. I don't think that AK47s and all kinds of other crazy military grade shit should be so easy to obtain. This is because a. you won't use that for hunting b. you wouldn't need that much firepower to take one guy or even 2 guys out

3. I think some people shouldn't be allowed to have guns, period. If you have a recent history of violent crime, you don't need a gun. If you're crazy, you don't need a gun.
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Posted 9/20/15

Glorianos wrote:


K3n21 wrote:
ill never understand why some Americans are so passionate about surrounding themselves with tools for killing...


Thank you.


That is usually the opinion of someone who was not raised around guns. It is really almost a division between rural and urban. Most rural areas do not have the shooting deaths that urbanites have. It may be just a simple as not allowing people who live in cities over 500,000 people to own firearms. Most people who live in urban areas fear firearms because they never had exposure and training in their youth, whereas most kids in places like Idaho or Maine grew up around them. It may not be appropriate for cities to have guns due to the high levels of craziness and stress. Example, Seattle is a fairly safe and reasonable city in the Northwest where there are a lot of sportsmen. However they still want to ban and tax firearms, why? Because the Californians who moved in 10 years ago feel unsafe in a well armed population. Seattle was once a bastion of heavily armed liberals with good common sense about firearm handling. They now fear their own weapons, it is interesting. Silly Seattlelites, remember this, a well armed Democrat is a Democrat who is not afraid to serve in the military, not to be afraid to bear arms in order to protect others, and understands that true freedom is the power that you can hold with your own hands. When a conservative says democrats are candy asses, and too weak to fight for what is right, a Colt .45 slide says otherwise. I miss the old strong Democrats....maybe we have become candy asses.....
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In America, gun ownership is a right and it will always be. Therefore government should provide guns for the poor because they are the ones who needs it the most.
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Posted 9/20/15
I have some ideas.
mandatory psych, knowledge, accuracy and safety test before license approval.
Just like a car, the object is not as dangerous as poor handling or lack of self control and makes the user responsible for spraying and praying.

guns must have a security seal attached to the gun when in a store and when the seal is removed it must never leave the house for any reason.
this way collectors can trade unused guns and home defence weapons can remain in the home.
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