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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 9/20/15
legalize all guns:

madman walks into store, buys an automatic riffle and goes on a shooting spree in malls
> we're screwed

ban guns:

madman gets a gun in the underground market and goes on a shooting spree in malls
> we're screwed

we're screwed either way.
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namealreadytaken wrote:

legalize all guns:

madman walks into store, buys an automatic riffle and goes on a shooting spree in malls
> we're screwed

ban guns:

madman gets a gun in the underground market and goes on a shooting spree in malls
> we're screwed

we're screwed either way.



When others have guns besides the crazy person, people are protected.
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/24/12405148/

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First of all, I do support some level of gun control. Just because there's an underground market for guns doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing our best to keep firearms out of the wrong hands.

Regarding the "guns don't kill people, people kill people," argument, I agree with the importance of education, but gun availability isn't entirely faultless. Guns may be tools, but so are weapons that even gun rights advocates balk to fight for, like rocket launchers. The truth is, weapons make killing easier, and great education is meaningless when alcohol gets thrown into the mix.

Also, I understand that most people that fight to own assault weapons aren't going to run out and shoot people, and that they want them because they're aficionados, much like people who like cars and trains.

The whole debate leaps back to the old freedom vs. security issue of how much freedom you'd give up to be safe. Personally, I value safety in this situation, but I can understand why someone would disagree with me.
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Guns are Illegal in Mexico but their gangs and criminals have no trouble obtaining more. However the regular citizens are living in fear and oppression because they CANNOT fight back. Some towns ended up arming themselves and forming Milita that kicked the cartels out of their towns then sieged the headquarters of that cartel, now they joined the government forces in fighting the cartels.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/08/how-a-group-of-civilians-took-up-arms-to-fight-back-against-drug-cartels-when-the-govt-could-no-longer-protect-them/

All people that feel comfortable handling a gun and are legally able to carry a gun should be able to carry it whenever and where ever. The person that can best protect you is yourself because you are always around when something happens to you.


The whole debate leaps back to the old freedom vs. security issue of how much freedom you'd give up to be safe. Personally, I value safety in this situation, but I can understand why someone would disagree with me.

Safety? At any point in time this could happen to Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnHO0B0hfA . I believe in protecting myself from other living beings not giving myself a false sense of safety.
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K3n21 wrote:



Its too early for this bullshit... -_-

We get it. You see them as toys.


All you needed to say is that you don't know and move on.
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Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I have some ideas.
mandatory psych, knowledge, accuracy and safety test before license approval.
Just like a car, the object is not as dangerous as poor handling or lack of self control and makes the user responsible for spraying and praying.

guns must have a security seal attached to the gun when in a store and when the seal is removed it must never leave the house for any reason.
this way collectors can trade unused guns and home defence weapons can remain in the home.


Let's also do that with the right to vote!

Poll Taxes 2016!

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VZ68 wrote:


Sir_jamesalot wrote:

I have some ideas.
mandatory psych, knowledge, accuracy and safety test before license approval.
Just like a car, the object is not as dangerous as poor handling or lack of self control and makes the user responsible for spraying and praying.

guns must have a security seal attached to the gun when in a store and when the seal is removed it must never leave the house for any reason.
this way collectors can trade unused guns and home defence weapons can remain in the home.


Let's also do that with the right to vote!

Poll Taxes 2016!



That's not going far enough! Let's to mandatory psychological, background testing, and IQ testing before you are allowed to vote! Anyone that has ever had ANY mental problems or ever had to talk to a psychologist will be denied voting right. If you ever broke the law in any way you will be denied voting rights. If your IQ is not 200+ you will not be able to vote!

Only then can we be fully sure people will be capable of handling the responsibility of voting.
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Steelmonk wrote:

That is usually the opinion of someone who was not raised around guns. It is really almost a division between rural and urban. Most rural areas do not have the shooting deaths that urbanites have. It may be just a simple as not allowing people who live in cities over 500,000 people to own firearms. Most people who live in urban areas fear firearms because they never had exposure and training in their youth, whereas most kids in places like Idaho or Maine grew up around them. It may not be appropriate for cities to have guns due to the high levels of craziness and stress. Example, Seattle is a fairly safe and reasonable city in the Northwest where there are a lot of sportsmen. However they still want to ban and tax firearms, why? Because the Californians who moved in 10 years ago feel unsafe in a well armed population. Seattle was once a bastion of heavily armed liberals with good common sense about firearm handling. They now fear their own weapons, it is interesting. Silly Seattlelites, remember this, a well armed Democrat is a Democrat who is not afraid to serve in the military, not to be afraid to bear arms in order to protect others, and understands that true freedom is the power that you can hold with your own hands. When a conservative says democrats are candy asses, and too weak to fight for what is right, a Colt .45 slide says otherwise. I miss the old strong Democrats....maybe we have become candy asses.....


Here since we are on different sides of a fence, AND share the lack of fear firearms, how does the ideas being tossed around in this thread, and complete lack of knowledge, scare you?

From people talking about what amounts to a "POLL TAX" in order to exercise a right, to people saying things along the lines of "you can't hunt with an AK." or "Hunting rifles are OK, sniper rifles aren't"

I'll live you with a great video mocking Joe "Buy a Shotgun" Biden

https://youtu.be/jafkVM-jnbE
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Rujikin wrote:


VZ68 wrote:



Let's also do that with the right to vote!

Poll Taxes 2016!



That's not going far enough! Let's to mandatory psychological, background testing, and IQ testing before you are allowed to vote! Anyone that has ever had ANY mental problems or ever had to talk to a psychologist will be denied voting right. If you ever broke the law in any way you will be denied voting rights. If your IQ is not 200+ you will not be able to vote!

Only then can we be fully sure people will be capable of handling the responsibility of voting.


AND you have to be a land-owner!

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VZ68 wrote:


Steelmonk wrote:

That is usually the opinion of someone who was not raised around guns. It is really almost a division between rural and urban. Most rural areas do not have the shooting deaths that urbanites have. It may be just a simple as not allowing people who live in cities over 500,000 people to own firearms. Most people who live in urban areas fear firearms because they never had exposure and training in their youth, whereas most kids in places like Idaho or Maine grew up around them. It may not be appropriate for cities to have guns due to the high levels of craziness and stress. Example, Seattle is a fairly safe and reasonable city in the Northwest where there are a lot of sportsmen. However they still want to ban and tax firearms, why? Because the Californians who moved in 10 years ago feel unsafe in a well armed population. Seattle was once a bastion of heavily armed liberals with good common sense about firearm handling. They now fear their own weapons, it is interesting. Silly Seattlelites, remember this, a well armed Democrat is a Democrat who is not afraid to serve in the military, not to be afraid to bear arms in order to protect others, and understands that true freedom is the power that you can hold with your own hands. When a conservative says democrats are candy asses, and too weak to fight for what is right, a Colt .45 slide says otherwise. I miss the old strong Democrats....maybe we have become candy asses.....


Here since we are on different sides of a fence, AND share the lack of fear firearms, how does the ideas being tossed around in this thread, and complete lack of knowledge, scare you?

From people talking about what amounts to a "POLL TAX" in order to exercise a right, to people saying things along the lines of "you can't hunt with an AK." or "Hunting rifles are OK, sniper rifles aren't"

I'll live you with a great video mocking Joe "Buy a Shotgun" Biden

https://youtu.be/jafkVM-jnbE


Makes me piss in my pants. It is almost as if people cannot wait to legislate their freedoms away. Instead of taking the time to educate themselves on the proper use of an item our founding fathers decided that we would need as an integral part of our society, we are willing to give it up because we cannot see the need anymore. By the way a lot of those founders were very liberal men, and well armed.
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VZ68 wrote:


Steelmonk wrote:

That is usually the opinion of someone who was not raised around guns. It is really almost a division between rural and urban. Most rural areas do not have the shooting deaths that urbanites have. It may be just a simple as not allowing people who live in cities over 500,000 people to own firearms. Most people who live in urban areas fear firearms because they never had exposure and training in their youth, whereas most kids in places like Idaho or Maine grew up around them. It may not be appropriate for cities to have guns due to the high levels of craziness and stress. Example, Seattle is a fairly safe and reasonable city in the Northwest where there are a lot of sportsmen. However they still want to ban and tax firearms, why? Because the Californians who moved in 10 years ago feel unsafe in a well armed population. Seattle was once a bastion of heavily armed liberals with good common sense about firearm handling. They now fear their own weapons, it is interesting. Silly Seattlelites, remember this, a well armed Democrat is a Democrat who is not afraid to serve in the military, not to be afraid to bear arms in order to protect others, and understands that true freedom is the power that you can hold with your own hands. When a conservative says democrats are candy asses, and too weak to fight for what is right, a Colt .45 slide says otherwise. I miss the old strong Democrats....maybe we have become candy asses.....


Here since we are on different sides of a fence, AND share the lack of fear firearms, how does the ideas being tossed around in this thread, and complete lack of knowledge, scare you?

From people talking about what amounts to a "POLL TAX" in order to exercise a right, to people saying things along the lines of "you can't hunt with an AK." or "Hunting rifles are OK, sniper rifles aren't"

I'll live you with a great video mocking Joe "Buy a Shotgun" Biden

https://youtu.be/jafkVM-jnbE


Yep I like the AR-15 a lot, and you can get some great accessories for them, and they can get pretty damn accurate.
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Rujikin wrote:

Guns are Illegal in Mexico but their gangs and criminals have no trouble obtaining more. However the regular citizens are living in fear and oppression because they CANNOT fight back. Some towns ended up arming themselves and forming Milita that kicked the cartels out of their towns then sieged the headquarters of that cartel, now they joined the government forces in fighting the cartels.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/08/how-a-group-of-civilians-took-up-arms-to-fight-back-against-drug-cartels-when-the-govt-could-no-longer-protect-them/

All people that feel comfortable handling a gun and are legally able to carry a gun should be able to carry it whenever and where ever. The person that can best protect you is yourself because you are always around when something happens to you.


The whole debate leaps back to the old freedom vs. security issue of how much freedom you'd give up to be safe. Personally, I value safety in this situation, but I can understand why someone would disagree with me.

Safety? At any point in time this could happen to Earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZnHO0B0hfA . I believe in protecting myself from other living beings not giving myself a false sense of safety.


Bingo! If you come at me or my own you better be ready to get used to being in a coffin for some time.
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gun control runs contrary to the idea behind the second ammendment.
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Mandatory proficiency and safety training/tests are absolutely nothing like Poll Taxes. They are simply common sense provisions and I have yet to hear a single good argument against them. If your owning of a gun puts other individual's right to life in danger you should not be allowed to own a gun, and individuals carrying guns they do not know how to use puts other people in danger.
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Steelmonk wrote:



Makes me piss in my pants. It is almost as if people cannot wait to legislate their freedoms away. Instead of taking the time to educate themselves on the proper use of an item our founding fathers decided that we would need as an integral part of our society, we are willing to give it up because we cannot see the need anymore. By the way a lot of those founders were very liberal men, and well armed.


"Sorry sir, you can not use the internet without a permit."

With all the thought-crimes going on and the banning of simple porn in "free" countries, I'm starting to wonder if the world has gone mad.



This is how burning man used to be. Hippies in the desert, with guns.

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