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US wants us to forget about slavery but no other things?
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A lot of people forget that the Europeans rarely went out and captured African slaves. Slave-taking was part of the culture of many tribes at the time, and the tribesman would trade their slaves for other goods. Yet (at least here in the US), nobody talks about it because to suggest that Africans had any part in the actual trade would be considered racist.


not to mention implying they were part of it means they weren't all exactly innocent victims and that just doesn't make for a good story. People don't like to talk about reality they want dramatic stories of tragic pasts and such. Besides the extremists for black rights that want to make anything and everything a race issue where blacks are obviously the victims no matter what won't don't want to talk about anything that doesn't suit their agenda.

On a side not I'm not saying racism isn't still a thing I'm just talking about those people, you know who I mean, that insist on making every little thing that just happens to involve a black person a race issue regardless of evidence.

In the end slavery was a thing in most countries for centuries and in many cases the slaves were the citizens of defeated lands or the poor meaning they were the same race as the masters but were still treated like objects and even murdered on a whim if the master was rich enough to afford casually losing one. But again since that's not a race issue no one feels like talking about that. So what really matters isn't that slavery used to be a thing in America it's that people who can't let go of the past want to use whatever they can to suit their own agenda whether we are talking about racist assholes who refuse to accept they aren't superior, or over sensitive idiots who think the whole world is out to get them, they all just care about how they can twist facts to suit their needs.
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AiYumega wrote:

US had nothing to do with the Holocaust in that sense. Nor 9/11. Germany, Italy, and Poland did, and we were attacked by Al Qaeda.

And the world over had slaves, especially Europe, who were the kings of colonialism. Only the wealthiest had slaves in America.


I mean I didn't say us had something to do with the holocaust but they still talk about it am I right LMAO.
Second , I'm talking about the racism and having slaves in America cause correct me if I am wrong but Georgia . Texas . North Carolina . South Carolina . Florida . Alabama back then was awfully racist and wasn't there Jim crow laws??


You should look up when Germany finally admitted that the Holocaust happened.

Also, look up the atrocities that Japan committed to the Koreans and Chinese. No country is safe from trying to forget the horror they caused.

Look at the British (early American settlers) who gave laced blankets to the Native Americans to commit genocide.

Again, every nation has their skeletons in the closet. And like others have stated, don't confuse slavery with hate crimes. Both are horrible, but again... the world has hate crimes too. This doesn't excuse it, but I think it's a little hypocritical to speak how you are about America when you don't seem to acknowledge what's happened in other countries. Where is your bleeding heart for those past atrocities?
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Posted 9/20/15 , edited 9/20/15

Kerensa wrote:

Look at the British (early American settlers) who gave laced blankets to the Native Americans to commit genocide.


This is absolutely not true - the only "evidence" is a letter between two generals where one of them jokes about giving smallpox blankets to the Indians. People back then did not have the knowledge we do about how diseases spread. Americans never committed genocide against the Indians - unless one considers intermarriage to be genocide.
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ignitingmemories wrote: America Is a big fuck up
Its the failing side of humans but also what we learn from side of humans ;P
all I can say "Keep trying!"

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AiYumega wrote: Only the wealthiest had slaves in America.

Only the wealthiest had plantations with hundreds of slaves.

It was not uncommon for common farmers to have a slave or two working in the fields beside them. They were typically treated far better than the slaves on the plantations, working directly beside their owners on a daily basis.

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Historical events are very hard to forget. There are those who choose to ignore history and there are those who would like to change how history played out but the events still remain. They are often ugly and hard to forget but why would we forget that the US had slavery? One of the bloodiest wars in modern time was fought that led to its end.

I also think we should believe that the TC had a debate about the US wanting to forget about slavery. I am sure its was "highly" enlightened but perhaps next time 9th graders could be invited to add some intelligence.
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I don't understand your question. Please, explain how they US or whoever "they" are and why they want "us" to forget about slavery? Citizens born and raised in the US learn about slavery in school, so is "us" referring to people born and raised in the US or people outside the US?
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Countries brush the parts of the past that still ring true under the metaphorical carpet, it's the way the world works. America refers to racism as something that happened and was abolished, whilst ignoring the institutionalised racism that still exists.
Britain boast about how we stood up to the fascism/ national socialism/ intolerance of the Nazi's but don't mention that we refused to let Polish Jews come to us in 1938 as we didn't trust them. In fact, every time a massive atrocity is committed Britain tries to lock the doors in case they let Nazi's/Soviets/IRA/Al Quaeda/ISIS/ISIL in accidentally, it's happening right now yet we pride ourselves on helping out
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ignitingmemories wrote:


AiYumega wrote:

US had nothing to do with the Holocaust in that sense. Nor 9/11. Germany, Italy, and Poland did, and we were attacked by Al Qaeda.

And the world over had slaves, especially Europe, who were the kings of colonialism. Only the wealthiest had slaves in America.


I mean I didn't say us had something to do with the holocaust but they still talk about it am I right LMAO.
Second , I'm talking about the racism and having slaves in America cause correct me if I am wrong but Georgia . Texas . North Carolina . South Carolina . Florida . Alabama back then was awfully racist and wasn't there Jim crow laws??



There were racist laws and there was slavery, however, Ai's point is correct. Most people were dirt poor and could not afford slaves, that didn't mean there was not racism, but most slaves were owned in mass concentrations by wealthy landowners which there were few of compared to impoverished folk.

Lest you also forget that a lot of immigrants came in AFTER slavery was outlawed legally. Immigration boosted massively in the latter part of the 1800s AFTER slavery was outlawed. Anyway, can't pin any blame on my folks. They immigrated to the U.S. after slavery.


ignitingmemories wrote:


AiYumega wrote:


ignitingmemories wrote:

But did I say it was :)? I said even after slavery . What I didn't say was being racist was slavery sir :))


I still don't get your point.

Do we forget how European immigrants were treated entering the country?
Do we forget how we interned innocent Japanese for what their homeland was doing?
Do we forget how we closed our country to Chinese immigrants for 10 years because of fear of yellow people?



America Is a big fuck up


If that's how you feel, then go to the Middle East or North Korea. You'd be begging to come back to America before a week ends there.

Seriously you think we're chock full of "systemic oppression" try living in a society that'll kill you for not wearing a head covering or watching something that isn't government propaganda lol

You're living in one of the freest places in the world hunny and you take that for granted every single day.

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Posted 9/21/15

animegirl2222 wrote:

Anyway, can't pin any blame on my folks. They immigrated to the U.S. after slavery.


Silly question- where did they come from?


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If that's how you feel, then go to the Middle East or North Korea. You'd be begging to come back to America before a week ends there.

Seriously you think we're chock full of "systemic oppression" try living in a society that'll kill you for not wearing a head covering or watching something that isn't government propaganda lol

You're living in one of the freest places in the world hunny and you take that for granted every single day.


You're allowed to think a country is a fuck up even when it's not the worst one you can think of. People need to question their governments, point out the systemic oppression and make their voices heard or before you know it you won't be allowed to any more and you'll be in the same boat as the North Koreans. I'm British and in my lifetime I've seen our government take more and more freedom from us in the name of protection, and they get away with it because people are quick to point out other worse countries rather than join in the protests.

I'm rambling, sorry. I'm not trying to start a pointless internet argument as... well, it's pointless. Please disregard all of the above words
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No one is pushing for people to forget about slavery. I don't know who "someone" or "they" is but they don't seem to know what they are talking about. Slavery is a very ugly but important part of the countries history. There is no reason for anyone to forget it happened.

What people are pushing for is for people to stop complaining about past slavery and to stop using it as an excuse. No one who was alive for slavery is alive today. Unlike WW2 and 9/11 where there are many people who were affected by these events who are still alive.

What I'm saying is, no one is saying forget slavery and remember these tragedies. But stop complaining about something that didn't have any direct effect on your life.


You seem to have some sort of predisposed animosity towards the US. The US is an amazing country with beautiful landscape and people. It started as a social experiment that paved the way for nations around the world to become what they are today.


Related to this, I believe last year there was a very famous article in "the Atlantic" by Ta-henisi Coates on how black people should be given reparations for slavery. As a Jew, who is a part of a group that to this day gets reparations for h Holocaust, I agreed with him at first. But then I realized that Germany, which includes almost every citizen at that time, allowed (and some even helped) the nazis create a genocide of 11 million, not every American (including me, who is a first generation american born Jew in my family) was responsible to the horrible treatment african americans have received over the years.

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Yes but the Holocaust ended in 1945.

Slavery In America was essentially abolished in 1865...

There's a difference between 70 years time (where some direct victims are still alive) and 150 years where they are all long dead.
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Posted 9/22/15 , edited 9/22/15
Fyi, Rome had slaves, All of europe had slaves, the jews had slaves, egypt had slaves, ethopia had slaves, nubia had slaves, china had slaves...and on and on and on. Every major world power from the dawn of civiliziation had slaves. My irish ancistors were slaves. When my great, grandfather and his brothers came to america to escape the potato famine they were immidiately drafted into the union army. Technically, slave soldiers fighting slavery in a country they fled to to avoid starvation and british slavery.
Slavery is hardly an uniquely american thing. Moast of those who hollar about slavery are themselvs the decendants of slave masters if they take the time to actually study their history
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