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US wants us to forget about slavery but no other things?
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bernardwheelerjr wrote:

Fyi, Rome had slaves, All of europe had slaves, the jews had slaves, egypt had slaves, ethopia had slaves, nubia had slaves, china had slaves...and on and on and on. Every major world power from the dawn of civiliziation had slaves. My irish ancistors were slaves. When my great, grandfather and his brothers came to america to escape the potato famine they were immidiately drafted into the union army. Technically, slave soldiers fighting slavery in a country they fled to to avoid starvation and british slavery.
Slavery is hardly an uniquely american thing. Moast of those who hollar about slavery are themselvs the decendants of slave masters if they take the time to actually study their history


This particular argument ignores the fact that slavery takes on different characteristics across cultures. Roman slavery, African slavery, indentured servitude, and American/Caribbean chattel slavery had different experiences for the enslaved.
For instance, Roman slavery actually had real incentives for wealthy citizens to free their slaves due to the patron-client system, in which freed slaves would follow their former master around and increase his social prestige.
African slavery was primarily tied to warfare, as something to do with POWs, and they weren't mistreated to the same extent as in America.
Indentured servitude was ostensibly temporary, though one could end up as an indentured servant for life if debt piles up. Poor indentured servants lived like paupers, but we have records of educated ones living quite comfortably.
Chattel slavery was much more dehumanizing than forms practiced in Europe and Africa, as it was characterized by a total lack of respect for human life. While mistreatment is endemic across all forms of slavery, chattel slavery added a dimension of expendability, as the lifespan of a given African slave in the Caribbean was extremely short. Slaves were brought in, worked to death, and replaced by more slaves. In the colonies and the U.S., it picked up a racialized aspect and the concept that slaves are inherently subhuman.
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PruBenAzul wrote: And you forget that there's a lot of reverse racism here. You're a prime example.
Yeah, and also how much the black community likes to remind us of slavery even if they are far away from anything of such history or past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZo1We9FJRM

Crazy knock out "game" where white wants to say we can play that stuff with a shooting "game"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD3bFLbOWRw

Entitlement mix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CoBfZc0kYc
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Posted 9/22/15
So this must have been the thread that someone posted something naughty to me in.



I missed it, shoot.
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lol

so much butthurt on here

yes, america is definitely erasing our memories about slavery

no wonder the AP tests, ACT's, SAT's, IB tests, etc. love to throw in a slavery question every few years or so

it's totes disappearing

I HAVE BROKEN TIME IN DA FORUMZ AGAIN
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Posted 9/30/15 , edited 9/30/15

BlazingRagnarok wrote:


bernardwheelerjr wrote:

Fyi, Rome had slaves, All of europe had slaves, the jews had slaves, egypt had slaves, ethopia had slaves, nubia had slaves, china had slaves...and on and on and on. Every major world power from the dawn of civiliziation had slaves. My irish ancistors were slaves. When my great, grandfather and his brothers came to america to escape the potato famine they were immidiately drafted into the union army. Technically, slave soldiers fighting slavery in a country they fled to to avoid starvation and british slavery.
Slavery is hardly an uniquely american thing. Moast of those who hollar about slavery are themselvs the decendants of slave masters if they take the time to actually study their history


This particular argument ignores the fact that slavery takes on different characteristics across cultures. Roman slavery, African slavery, indentured servitude, and American/Caribbean chattel slavery had different experiences for the enslaved.
For instance, Roman slavery actually had real incentives for wealthy citizens to free their slaves due to the patron-client system, in which freed slaves would follow their former master around and increase his social prestige.
African slavery was primarily tied to warfare, as something to do with POWs, and they weren't mistreated to the same extent as in America.
Indentured servitude was ostensibly temporary, though one could end up as an indentured servant for life if debt piles up. Poor indentured servants lived like paupers, but we have records of educated ones living quite comfortably.
Chattel slavery was much more dehumanizing than forms practiced in Europe and Africa, as it was characterized by a total lack of respect for human life. While mistreatment is endemic across all forms of slavery, chattel slavery added a dimension of expendability, as the lifespan of a given African slave in the Caribbean was extremely short. Slaves were brought in, worked to death, and replaced by more slaves. In the colonies and the U.S., it picked up a racialized aspect and the concept that slaves are inherently subhuman.


All of wich was a concept inherrited from the original european slave master cultures like brittan and spain and portugal ect....at nausium. By the time my ancistors got here we were litterally escaping the original nation who started african slavery, the english empire, to fighiting and dieing in a devided colony of that british slave state.. And as horrific as the british founded slave culture was.... It doesn't even come close to roman, egyptian, and chinese slavery where slaves were brutally slaughtered just for entertainment
In rome slave girls were forced to reinact the conception of romulous and remous by being forced to have sex with a bull. And without exception the girl died due to her massive enternal injuries. There is your historical context.
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Posted 9/30/15
Oh boy... Just gonna... Yeah.
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Unlocked again, but please keep in mind, folks, personal attacks are not welcome.
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preventing the other two might prevent slavery
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Posted 9/30/15 , edited 9/30/15

severticas wrote:

preventing the other two might prevent slavery


Sadly both germany and japan brought back slave labor in ww2 and sexual slavery is alive and well in asia,eastern europe and moast countries with shariah law: like turkey, indonesia, saudia ariabia ect....
As revolting as british, spanish, french and portugese slavery was in in the new world, it pales in comparison to the debouchery that was german and japonese slavery during ww2.
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Posted 9/30/15

AiYumega wrote:

US had nothing to do with the Holocaust in that sense. Nor 9/11. Germany, Italy, and Poland did, and we were attacked by Al Qaeda.

And the world over had slaves, especially Europe, who were the kings of colonialism. Only the wealthiest had slaves in America.


I agree with most of this. But honestly Italy had very little if anything to do with the Holocaust. If you are thinking just because they were on Germany's side in the war you are going to have to lump Japan in these to

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I believe it's the other way around. I don't think people is forgetting about slavery. So many afro American professional race baiters (Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson) brag about slavery every day. People forgot that freed negroes owned slaves in the past as well. The largest plantation in Charleston, SC was owned by a negro with over 200 slaves. On the other hand, with so much Muslims around us, they don't want to mention the Holocaust because theyre anti semetic. It's not compulsory for muslim children in Germany to learn about the Holocaust in schools anymore. Muslims want americans to forget about 911 and all the crimes they've committed against us, while liberal blacks use slavery as a tool for race baiting and anti south hatred. History has been twisted. Slavery was evil, but it was practiced by people regardless of their race in the past. Nobody today is responsible for what happened over a hundred years ago. No southerner should be ashamed of their history and heritage. I only regret that the Confederates didn't win.
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Posted 9/30/15
If hate is still around then slavery should not be forgotten.
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Posted 9/30/15
The longer we dwell on slavery, the bigger the race-gap is going to grow.

It's honestly better if we forget about it and move on. Living in the past won't help the future.
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Posted 9/30/15
This was a troll thread...let it be forgotten.
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#1, there is no one alive in the US while slavery was legal
#2, find me the school in the US, past elementary school, where the issue of slavery isn't taught.
#3, name the country that outlawed a symbol of a previous political party that was in power in an effort to forget about it
#4, there is nothing wrong with any belief, that is a premise of the foundation of the US(religious freedom), as long as you don't force it on anyone else or inflict harm on anyone else. In some cases they won't even let you inflict harm on yourself.

If anything, the US censors far less of our history than the majority of countries. There are the exceptions, but that is statistics. Eventually you will find someone doing something stupid crazy, and the US media is basically rabid when it comes to that.

There is nothing different or special about a person living the the US from anywhere else, except for a higher level of average wealth, greater or lesser protection from the police, greater or lesser level of average education. In the US you are REQUIRED federally to be educated. The only case nowadays where you wont go through all 12 grades of public school is if you commit a criminal act and are expelled, or fail a grade so many times in high school you reach the age of 18 and are considered an adult.

People are people, and most of them are f'd up somehow. Racism isn't any different from nationalism, religious intolerance, sexism, etc. It is human nature, human brains are wired to excel at pattern matching, anything that differentiates you from a pattern will instantly be flagged in the human mind. On that note, people in the US are no more F'd up than people in any country. You might just not have a media as vocal about it, or maybe your media is being censored.
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The Jim Crow laws were not laws that ended segregation my friend. They were laws that enforced segregation and were designed to keep Black Americans in second class citizenship. But perhaps you misspoke...
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Posted 9/30/15 , edited 9/30/15
9/11: knock knock
Me: Who's there?
9/11: 9/11
Me: 9/11 who?
9/11: You said you'd never forget.
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