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Posted 9/21/15 , edited 9/21/15
Here is one perspective, for you.

I'd like to hear the opinion of everyone, specifically those living in Europe.

It's easy to throw around statistics to self-promote online, but if given that Watson's facts are correct, I'd agree that a more organized manner of sorting through legitimate war refugees versus those that are taking advantage of the system, is in order. I don't believe this has anything to do with xenophobia or advocates of anti-diversity, but the destabilization of countries in the EU, by way of welfare handouts. See the video:

"I don't begrudge people seeking a better life, but can we please stop pretending that all these individuals are fleeing from war." - Watson

I have friends in the UK who have clear opinions on the subject, but as I'm not directly in the midst of the situation, again, I'd like to hear from those on the front line of the matter, living in European countries.
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Its not the refugees that they are worried about I mean they are to some extent what they are worried about IS sleeper agents coming in pretending to be refugees and committing some kind of attack later on down the road from a security standpoint its a big mess and a big problem. I have not seen much talk about this on the news yet but I am sure its something they are well aware of and worried about
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I'm kinda tired of hearing the governments of many in the EU complain about the waves of immigrants showing up unwanted. If the EU would actually try to help out and send some soldiers to Syria, Iraq, and Libya, maybe the refugees wouldn't have to run away to Europe. It is their inaction that has greatly contributed to it.
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Popoff91 wrote:

I'm kinda tired of hearing the governments of many in the EU complain about the waves of immigrants showing up unwanted. If the EU would actually try to help out and send some soldiers to Syria, Iraq, and Libya, maybe the refugees wouldn't have to run away to Europe. It is their inaction that has greatly contributed to it.


    The point here is that droves of people are immigrating from countries not associated with Syrian conflicts, not the lack of help in Syria. We can see how well sending troops into another country helps, from the US's many examples.
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gsm642 wrote:

Its not the refugees that they are worried about I mean they are to some extent what they are worried about IS sleeper agents coming in pretending to be refugees and committing some kind of attack later on down the road from a security standpoint its a big mess and a big problem. I have not seen much talk about this on the news yet but I am sure its something they are well aware of and worried about


    I'll agree with that as well. He does mention the potential for terrorist groups to enter. Of course the government won't spread that fear, because of the increased panic it might cause.


Posted 9/21/15 , edited 9/21/15
C'est la vie.

US will be taking a huge amount by fiscal 2017. I understand it, but it also makes us the mother who saves all her children.
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ayaundwolf wrote:

"I don't begrudge people seeking a better life, but can we please stop pretending that all these individuals are fleeing from war." - Watson


I agree.

If all those people were real refugees, they would settle all across Europe. However, most people don't seem to like Austria, for example. Or any other country. They are headed directly to Germany, where they get the most cash and means. And our political puppets are asking them in. Many, many people are very, very angry and I fear we'll get a big swing to the right.

Oddly enough I can understand their position. Which does not happen very often.
Posted 9/21/15 , edited 9/21/15

Kuschelpython wrote:


ayaundwolf wrote:

"I don't begrudge people seeking a better life, but can we please stop pretending that all these individuals are fleeing from war." - Watson


I agree.

If all those people were real refugees, they would settle all across Europe. However, most people don't seem to like Austria, for example. Or any other country. They are headed directly to Germany, where they get the most cash and means. And our political puppets are asking them in. Many, many people are very, very angry and I fear we'll get a big swing to the right.

Oddly enough I can understand their position. Which does not happen very often.


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ayaundwolf wrote:
I have friends in the UK who have clear onions on the subject, but as I'm not directly in the midst of the situation, again, I'd like to hear from those on the front line of the matter, living in European countries.


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Posted 9/21/15 , edited 9/21/15
I 100% believe in helping the war refugees...but absolutely NOT those who are just going to (mainly Germany) for quick cash. They should be sent back immediately without any help.

The ones fleeing from the truly horrific Isis should of course be helped, especially the Christian/Catholic ones who suffer the most gruesome torture. No one else, though.

Too many people are taking advantage of the situation and are just faking being desperate refugees. These people (the fakes) do not deserve help or pity in the slightest. They need to be booted from Europe (and other countries/continents) taking them in as soon as possible.

I definitely feel that because of this, Europeans will be far more right-wing than in the recent years.

In a way, I cannot blame them considering that the majority of people coming in are Muslim. And well, we've seen the problems that many of those Islam-followers have caused in Europe even before the crisis. After all, what the media reports and what actually happens are two entirely different things.

I personally am fine with whatever religion/race of people that are not followers of Islam...but Muslims in general of any race I have to be honest - I am wary of.

I really feel that this will cause a lot of problems in Europe.

Oh well...the fever must get worse before it gets better...

Again: help the war refugees by all means, NOT those looking for easy money.
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If people are putting in all that effort of taking boats, getting smuggled in vans and jumping over barbed wire fences just to get to other countries, I think it's fair to assume that their homelands aren't great places to live.
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sorry, I am not free to express my opinions if they are not in line with those of my government
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Unfortunately, there will always be those taking advantage of a crisis and a free ride. I hope that the countries that are trying to help can figure out a way to siphon out the bad apples and help those that truly need it.
I also hope that the US government has a good support system in the works for their purported plan to take in more refugees over the next couple of years than what we usually allow, without charging the taxpayers even more than we already pay.

WE (collectively all nations who seem to think they have the means to help) can't save everyone. It isn't possible, and we are hurting our own countries as we continue to try.
What's sad is that half the people we save, end up biting the hands that feed them. We need to stop.
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Popoff91 wrote:

I'm kinda tired of hearing the governments of many in the EU complain about the waves of immigrants showing up unwanted. If the EU would actually try to help out and send some soldiers to Syria, Iraq, and Libya, maybe the refugees wouldn't have to run away to Europe. It is their inaction that has greatly contributed to it.



Problem with that is when the west interferes in the middle east the citizens of both countries blamed the countries that are trying to help them. In the countries that are sending military forces the citizens of those countries will call them warmongers and they get voted out. Doesn't make politicians want to get involved if it cost them their jobs. The people of the conflict countries blame the foreign troops for not doing a good job quick enough and from past experiences we see the natives of said country start to fight against the people who are trying to help them in the first place.
The only way peace is even feasible is
1 The people get rid of the extremists by fighting for their freedom and focus on building up their economies and voting for sane people to lead them.
2. Forget about self-governing and ask to become part of whichever country that agrees to help them and assimilate into that country culture.
By offering incentives of the people from the main country to move into new territory and mix things up eventually time will calm things to a more manageable level and at that point let them vote to stay or leave the country that saved them. By then they will have had a taste of the luxuries of the west and they will become more moderate over time.




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Just refuse them. If they die then we were wrong. If they live then we were right.

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